The Brewers Are World Champs! | Episode 247

peaker-0 (00:00)

All right, welcome back. Episode two forty seven of Chaotically Intolerant. We're back from our mini break. Um, just got sick, had to take a little time off. Um, we have Teacher of the Year, John Siebel's here, Teacher of the Year for the United States of Chaotically Intolerant. We'll just say that. John, you're the teacher of the year every year for us.

speaker-1 (00:22)

Well last year I was runner up so but this year I don't I'm a

speaker-0 (00:25)

They're the teacher

of the year every year for us. Congratulations. uh

speaker-1 (00:27)

So I appreciate that. Your

wife. I mean what about your girlfriend?

speaker-0 (00:32)

Well, she's not like in this universe. Oh, okay. She's teacher of the year in the household.

speaker-1 (00:38)

Okay, that makes sense.

speaker-0 (00:39)

Caleb is

Ca Caleb is Caleb of the Year on this show.

speaker-2 (00:43)

No doubt.

speaker-0 (00:44)

Congrats, Caleb. Clap it up for Caleb.

speaker-1 (00:46)

Okay, white boy uh some say white boy

speaker-0 (00:48)

Caleb of the year.

Not he can't he's not white boy of the year, he's Caleb of the Year. Caleb of the year.

speaker-2 (00:54)

I'll give that I'll give that title left and should.

speaker-1 (00:56)

Well,

'cause he's he's certainly not the Caleb Williams of the year, dude. The real Caleb Williams is fucking slinging it right now.

speaker-0 (01:02)

Yeah, he's fucking really good.

speaker-2 (01:04)

I wouldn't miss anything I'm just saying.

speaker-0 (01:05)

that's true. Yeah.

speaker-1 (01:06)

I would have s I would have played through it.

speaker-0 (01:08)

What what grade hamstring uh injury would have would you have had, Caleb?

speaker-2 (01:13)

I actually had a grade one in uh in JUCO. uh

speaker-0 (01:17)

Could you play two?

speaker-1 (01:18)

Did you play through it?

speaker-2 (01:19)

No, but

speaker-1 (01:21)

Actually I would have missed a fucking game.

speaker-2 (01:24)

Actually missed two weeks, but

speaker-1 (01:27)

No, can we

speaker-2 (01:30)

That's two

weeks.

speaker-0 (01:32)

I thought he missed three weeks.

speaker-2 (01:34)

You might have missed three, yeah.

speaker-0 (01:35)

I think he missed well they missed like ha second half of the the Vikings game. And then uh fucking A, I can't remember. I think the I he missed the uh there was the

speaker-2 (01:45)

Started one and then the uh Keen

speaker-0 (01:48)

No, Bajon started too.

speaker-2 (01:50)

And Keenum started one. So yeah

speaker-0 (01:52)

Beatham

started the one and they won.

speaker-1 (01:54)

I'm gonna fact check this.

speaker-0 (01:56)

Yeah, look at Ke uh Bajant started against the Jets. And fucking A, I can't remember. Who the f

speaker-1 (02:04)

Buck is bagent.

speaker-0 (02:05)

Tyson Oh the the Packers. The Packers.

Jets and Packers. So I think it was like three and a half weeks, if you want to count the

speaker-1 (02:12)

He missed three full games. He missed the Phil the Eagles, the Jets, the Packers, and then half of Minnesota. So what a pussy compared to our Caleb.

speaker-0 (02:22)

Yeah, what an absolute pussy.

speaker-1 (02:23)

Caleb is like

speaker-0 (02:24)

Um we have the Caleb of the Year, we have the teacher of the year, um we're gonna be talking some World Series, we're gonna be talking the best World Series, that's gonna be the snake draft. Um really fucking hard one to to look up to find.

speaker-1 (02:39)

I started watching in two thousand like I I can't gauge my emotional response to the nineteen seventy one World Series or the Nineteen Forty three World Series, so

speaker-0 (02:48)

Stuff. We're just gonna have to gauge how they felt during the Great Depression. Um we're gonna we have a little bit of NFL talk, um and a little bit of golf talk apparently from from John. Love to hear it. Uh but before we get into all that, make sure to like, comment, subscribe and let's go.

We have a Joe Milton start um in the NFL coming up this week. I think that is the best news I've heard all year. Joe Milton, the guy who could throw an orange a hundred and ten yards on the fly. He did it at the orange bowl. he's got the best arm in football. We'll be starting for the Philadelphia Eagles this week. Um, over Tanner McKee. Which ha have we done the show since Jalen Hurts had blood clots in his lung?

speaker-2 (03:48)

Mm.

speaker-1 (03:48)

No,

but just Suriani Suriani needs to be in prison.

speaker-2 (03:53)

Somebody does.

speaker-0 (03:54)

Somebody's gotta be in prison. I I don't know how the NFL is just investigating it and they're like, Yeah, nobody did anything.

speaker-1 (04:01)

Somebody uh somebody sent in a tip to the US what is it, the uh voter protection agency and claimed that Nick Sirianni voted illegally so that they could have him arrested. An Eagles fan. Uh my name is Nick Sirianni and I voted illegally eight times in the state of Pennsylvania.

speaker-0 (04:25)

That's um that is Eagles fans for you where they have a coach who went to back to back Super Bowls and won one of them and they're already like, get this fucking guy out of here. Just get him out of here. I respect

speaker-1 (04:39)

Killed Jalen Hurts.

speaker-0 (04:41)

He did. He did. He did. Um but I respect I do respect it. Um

speaker-1 (04:46)

But is it worth it to see Joe Milton?

speaker-0 (04:49)

Absolutely. Absolutely. Are you t Caleb, are you ser do you don't wanna see this guy throw it like fifty yards flat footed?

speaker-2 (04:59)

I already did. He's the reason the Patriots didn't get the number one overall pick three years ago.

speaker-0 (05:04)

I think you guys are doing fine. You've been to more Super Bowl than

speaker-1 (05:07)

Also

speaker-0 (05:08)

Caleb

speaker-2 (05:08)

And do, but Joe

speaker-0 (05:08)

Williams has.

speaker-2 (05:10)

Melbourne.

speaker-0 (05:11)

You

had a very easy schedule. You you have the schedule.

speaker-2 (05:15)

That is not.

No, well

speaker-0 (05:17)

If Caleb Clemens is there, maybe it'll be better.

speaker-2 (05:20)

He came out against the Bills that were resting all their starters. He he threw for two fifty against the Bills third stringers. Cost us our number one pick and then everyone swore that he should start over Drake May. I personally am sick of the Joe Milton discourse and then I'm I am ready for him to fail in the league.

speaker-1 (05:39)

I he's better than Drake May.

speaker-0 (05:41)

He should have started over if Drake May was on the Eagles right now, I think Joe Milton would start over Drake.

speaker-1 (05:46)

I agree. Because really, are you just gonna trot out like Alex Smith two point against mur for the Eagles? Honestly Are you blindful?

speaker-0 (05:55)

If you fucking

Alex Smith off the mine.

speaker-2 (05:58)

Alex

Smith, number one AFC player of the month.

speaker-1 (06:01)

If you blindfolded me and and just let me just let me listen to like a broadcast with Drake May and Alex Smith and beeped out their names, couldn't tell you who's who. Same player.

speaker-2 (06:12)

How many five touchdown games does Alex Smith have in his career?

speaker-1 (06:16)

I don't know, probably a thousand.

speaker-2 (06:18)

Would love to know that information.

speaker-0 (06:20)

He did win AFC Offensive Player of the Week honors.

speaker-2 (06:24)

No month. Month. oh

speaker-0 (06:28)

hold on,

speaker-1 (06:28)

god.

speaker-0 (06:28)

hold on. He did win AP NFL Comeback Player of the Year in twenty twenty. Has Drake May won an a a a player of the year?

speaker-1 (06:37)

Player of the year.

speaker-0 (06:38)

In the NFL.

speaker-2 (06:39)

I will let you know if Drake may ever snaps his leg from being too unathletic.

speaker-1 (06:43)

Oh, um Alex Smith does have a five touchdown game on December fifteenth, twenty thirteen, against the Oakland Raiders. He completed seventeen passes.

And five of them were for touchdowns. And I would like to see Drake May do that on so little volume. Because he can't.

speaker-2 (07:02)

Yeah.

Over over under Raiders two wins that year.

speaker-1 (07:06)

Doesn't matter.

speaker-0 (07:06)

I'd like to What year was it again? Repeat it.

speaker-1 (07:08)

Thirteen, twenty thirteen. You did

speaker-0 (07:10)

they were I think they were so bad that year. I think it was Tarot

speaker-1 (07:13)

Verify.

Was that pre Derek Carr?

speaker-0 (07:17)

N yeah, that was way but that I think that was Terrell Breyer.

speaker-1 (07:20)

The goat? Terrell Pryor? The receiver

speaker-0 (07:22)

Are they report?

speaker-1 (07:24)

They were four and twelve. Tyrrell Pryor, the wide receiver?

speaker-0 (07:29)

Four and twelve, Dennis Allen was the head coach. Uh I'm so good. Terrell Pryor, baby. Terrell Pryor. I remember that year very well. Fair.

speaker-1 (07:37)

I drafted Trump by the receiver

in fantasy so many times like three different times, thinking he was definitely gonna be it.

speaker-0 (07:45)

Tyrrell Pryor was only three and six as a starter compared to Matt McLoyne going one and five. When was that game? When was that for Alpha?

speaker-1 (07:55)

December fifteen.

speaker-0 (07:56)

that was that was either a Matt McGloin game or a Matt Flynn game. Or a Darren McC a Darren McFadden game? he only has one one attempt. A

speaker-1 (08:06)

He is a yeah, he was a

speaker-0 (08:08)

Darren McFadden game. Was that the Darren McFadden game?

speaker-1 (08:11)

I don't know, that was a hell of a game though. I remember the Darren McFadden game. You rem Caleb, you remember the Darren McFadden game? Remember we we we were there and Yeah,

speaker-2 (08:20)

Couldn't couldn't forget it.

speaker-1 (08:22)

it was a hell of a game. In twenty thirteen, right? Yeah. All right. I have an open topic.

speaker-0 (08:27)

Go ahead.

speaker-1 (08:28)

Okay. Um, is there going to be continued loss of interest in college sports due to the integrity of the game? And here's my points. One, you got players on like five different teams in their career. You have guys with seven years of eligibility because there's no oversight whatsoever. There's no longer any oversight. I also think that fans are realizing that like the NIL shit is the biggest rug pull in sports history.

Because we were told players could profit off of their name image and likeness. Nowhere did we say that guys are gonna be getting direct payments from colleges, direct payments from boosters in exchange for a commit. Like, look at all the guys in the years leading up to that that got like a rental car paid for by a booster and were deemed ineligible for the rest of the season. Or uh unknowingly, somebody in their family accepted 10k from Nike.

To commit to a Nike school specifically without the players' knowledge. Now, anybody chaotically intolerant could pay somebody $50 million and say, go play at fucking Duke and you know, do a commercial for us just because we want you to play for our team. Um, you've got a guy playing for my Kansas Jayhawks who was drafted in the NFL or NBA, 59th overall, and he is back in college.

So what the fuck? What w where's the integrity of the sport any longer?

speaker-0 (09:57)

That's crazy. If you get drafted, you should not be allowed to go back.

speaker-1 (10:03)

They're if you enter if you enter your name in the draft and say

speaker-0 (10:07)

We did this with Lane Kiffin and L SU this past offseason and everyone in the SEC was like, We're not gonna play we're just not gonna play L S U if they're allowed to have a guy in the NFL. I don't understand why Kansas why this is allowed. There's no reason.

speaker-1 (10:22)

Because

other teams have had guys that played in the fucking summer league. There were guys who actively played in the summer league.

speaker-0 (10:29)

Ridiculous.

That's like going to pla that's like going to play even going to play minor league baseball and and coming back

speaker-1 (10:35)

Going back to college.

speaker-0 (10:36)

to college to just play college baseball. I think the only reason I think the college debate is such is is really important because the pendulum was on one side for so long. It was like the ridiculous bullshit. Like you give you give a guy a cheeseburger and they're like, Oh, you you took

You took money. Get out of here. Like you can't Who can't oh

speaker-1 (11:00)

Sold

his

speaker-0 (11:01)

Who was Somebody got a free tattoo. I can't remember who it was. Somebody got a free tattoo.

speaker-1 (11:06)

Ohio

State was it fucking Terrell prior?

speaker-0 (11:09)

It might have been to row prior. It might Holy shit. What a sco

speaker-1 (11:12)

Whatever.

speaker-0 (11:13)

right there.

speaker-1 (11:15)

Somebody sold or traded like a game used jersey for a tattoo. And he was saying it's my jersey. They didn't give me a free tattoo because I play for Ohio State. They gave me a tattoo because that shop accepts things like sports memorabilia in exchange for tattoo services.

speaker-0 (11:34)

This show is amazing. This is a great, great show. It was Terrell Pryor and four other Ohio State football players were disciplined for receiving free tattoos and other impermissible benefits in exchange for their memorabilia.

speaker-1 (11:49)

Boom. See, my tattoo shop, my um my tattoo artist will take graded Pokemon cards. He will take um like you know, stuff that has value on like the immediate resale market. If you don't have money for a tattoo but you have things that are valuable, you can exchange it. That is capitalism. That's a free market. So if Terrell Pryor's mom gave him five hundred dollars, is he allowed to go get a tattoo?

Absolutely. If he if he has his own money, he can use it for a tattoo. Why can't he give his cleats in exchange for a tattoo? Doesn't make any sense to me. But now a tattoo shop could give as many free tattoos as they want. Uh a car dealership can give a kid a luxury sports car in exchange for one commercial. But we know what it's for. It's because your tattoo shop is in fucking Tuscaloosa and you want that kid in Alabama.

It's it's ridiculous. I can't watch college sports. Mostly because I don't recognize my own rosters. Like KU basketball, I don't recognize the rosters every year. Where the fuck are the kids I watched last year who were like our big promising recruits that were supposed to be juniors? they all transferred out. We transferred in fifteen new kids.

speaker-2 (13:03)

Yeah, think it from your mind thinking from the mind of a casual fan, because I'm not super diehard into college basketball or football. It's kind of made the product a little I wouldn't call it unwatchable, but it's on

speaker-1 (13:15)

It's actually.

speaker-2 (13:16)

the surface. Yeah, it's less enticing. It's like I already kinda had trouble keeping up with the guys in in football that are graduating every four years or three years. And now you've you're throwing in basically a free agent period with

two hundred teams, however many are FBS, I don't know. but it's it's kind of just a tough situation to to follow along with. Yeah. 'Cause 'cause the the the s the transfers, the signings, whatever you call they're not gonna make national news unless it's a like if Jeremiah Smith were to transfer. Something like that. That's not you those the the

the wide receiver three transferring another school isn't gonna make the national news and you're not gonna most most casual fans are not gonna keep up with that. So that's that's kind of what makes the product tougher for me and I already didn't really follow along with college football or college basketball. So I don't know, I've kind of given up on trying, I just enjoy the the the scoreboard watching. Yeah.

speaker-1 (14:19)

Well,

speaker-0 (14:20)

This all kind of co I think it's all coming at the same time in just the culture, like the especially like the United States, but the world where we're getting like gambling twenty four seven, right? The sports gambling has has

speaker-1 (14:35)

Yeah.

speaker-0 (14:36)

gone crazy. Um you want to talk about the transfer portal. Before it used to be you would had to sit for a year if you wanted to transfer.

Which I also thought was bullshit. I thought that was way too strict because sometimes people have family shit. Sometimes people have you know, maybe they are depressed where they're at and they're like, I need a change of scenery man in my life. You shouldn't have to jeopardize your sports career just to transfer to a better situation for yourself. Just limit the trans. I don't understand why they can't just limit the transfers. Just say you get one transfer or you get two transfers. Two transfers in your college career and your

speaker-1 (15:12)

free transfer plus there should be a way to like submit an application transfer. Like let's say a kid go into Michigan for football when John Harbaugh was there. Harbaugh and he'd already uses one free transfer. Harbaugh leaves and the school gets sanctioned for cheating. Now they can say I transferred here with the intention of playing in the playoffs and building up my stocks for the NFL. Now you know I I'm out with I'm at a school

speaker-0 (15:40)

I don't think I would deny that shit. I would be like, You gotta sit with

speaker-1 (15:44)

Coach panels, yeah.

speaker-0 (15:48)

what you did. I mean, you can play on a bad team and still show out. Michigan is still like a nationally recognized football team where they're gonna get prime time games no matter what. It doesn't matter if they're in the playoff. That one's fine. But like, you know, they're like, My mom has cancer. And it's like, Well, you gotta wait for a year if you wanna move home.

Or you travel back and forth and your grades suffer.

speaker-1 (16:10)

And you can't by the way, they can't they couldn't pay for your travel either uh back. But

speaker-0 (16:14)

Yeah. Which is also

speaker-1 (16:15)

you got in trouble for that, for paying for a kid's travel to go home to visit home because mom was sick. Yeah.

speaker-0 (16:20)

That's insane. So But again, it's it's like we're at a time in our culture where like again the pendulum is swinging the other way where gambling was was horrible for you and um or was sorry, it was illegal and now it's like going all the I think we're it we're just in a time where it's like swinging back. Even sports media. I mean I've I've talked about Pat McAfee and my complete annoyance with Pat McAfee many times, where like the just sports media in general, the way things

have gone to this informal informal version of media. Like there is really important sports media that is being done right now. It's just buried because everyone wants to watch Hot takes funny shit. Like remember when when OT Outside the Lines? I remember watching Outside the Lines every Sunday because they would do like a real sports story about, you know, injuries or they would talk about I mean whatever.

But it wasn't like a sports story, but it was in relation to sports. And it wasn't just Hey, what who's like who's gonna win the Super Bowl this year? Well I think the fucking Titans are gonna go on a run and do it. Like that's n I'm talking about national media too, not like

speaker-1 (17:32)

But the shit Pablo Torre's doing, like legitimate investigative journalism. I haven't heard that many people talk about it. Um but he's he is that is what he does now. Legitimate like investigative journalism.

speaker-0 (17:45)

I

like the Kawhi Leonard thing. What happened with the trees. The guy's never planted a tree in his life, by the way. Never once. But But like that shit that is important. Like that and that's been like kinda it flies under the radar. People make a few jokes about it every once in a while, but that shit does fly under the radar.

speaker-1 (18:02)

What why lettered is a fun guy?

speaker-0 (18:05)

Real fun guy, real fun guy. Like that is important. And people are that's like fraud. That is utter fraud. That's why Steve Ballmer is now suspended. Can't go into that nice new stadium that he has. Um so I think we're just the pendulum's gonna swing back. We're just in a time where everything feels like it's elevated, especially because of how much we see of it now. Like we see we see it all the time, every day. It's pumped into our heads 24 seven.

speaker-1 (18:33)

When my dad is boycotting college basketball, that is a big fucking deal. He's he hasn't missed a KU basketball game. I think he says it's like nineteen seventy two. He's seen every single KU game. Mr. Caesar, I'm not watching any KU basketball this year. He drove through a blizzard when he was at KU, um, because they sent everybody home 'cause there's a bit major blizzard. He drove through it to get to Allen Fieldhouse to watch the game. And he was watching.

We lost Mr. Siebles to uh to the fucking gambling and cheating and NIL Mr.

speaker-0 (19:07)

Let me call who's the head of the NCAA? I'm calling him up right now. You we'll get him on the line. I'm gonna tell him for college basketball, yes. For college football, no. Um yeah, the twenty four team playoff as well. Just again, like another perfect McAfee McAfeeing of the sport. Just like we don't I don't need twenty four teams.

speaker-1 (19:30)

Well, it's gonna be sixty four before they're fucking done with it.

speaker-0 (19:33)

Actually I think it's gonna be a hundred and twenty eight in in about two.

speaker-1 (19:37)

Just

like a tournament, and it's gonna start the first game of the season. It's just a tournament. Whole season's a tournament.

speaker-0 (19:44)

Yes. Exactly. And they're gonna do

speaker-1 (19:46)

Consolidation consolation brackets and

speaker-0 (19:50)

It's gonna be ridiculous. And that's gonna decide the rankings for the next year. But they're still gonna have a show to discuss all the rankings and why they ranked them like this. Yeah. I mean, like Alabama, who got their ass beat by Tennessee, was was ranked like five or six spaces higher than Tennessee. Just utter horseshit. Doesn't make any sense, but whatever. All right, Caleb, do you have any open topic you would like to discuss?

speaker-2 (20:13)

Um just kind of a quick thing on the the latest proposal on the CBA with the incoming logout.

speaker-1 (20:21)

Um

speaker-2 (20:22)

The newest proposal, I believe, from the owners sets the salary caps starting in 2028 to give the the teams a year to adjust. Um, they're setting the floor at 180.2 million and the cap at 258.2 million. Uh I thought it was kind of interesting. Uh it says that twelve of the teams uh in the league are currently under that that projected floor, which uh

Kinda makes me a little intrigued with how they're gonna handle this off season and going into next offseason.

speaker-0 (20:56)

I'm curious how are they gonna handle the teams that would cur that are currently over? Because there's eight teams

speaker-1 (21:05)

I would say you'd have to lower your salary cap like this year you're you're grandfathered in with your contracts. Next year you gotta drop your salary cap this much and drop it until you get to the cap. But I can decide information that there's not gonna be a lockout.

speaker-0 (21:21)

Who's your insider?

speaker-1 (21:23)

I I can't say the name. but he's a player who was in the minors last year. He played like eight years in the league. I'll say it off the off the air, 'cause I don't want to give anybody away. He coaches one of my friends' kids' travel ball teams. Jamie Moore. It's not Jamie fucking more. It's not Gerald Pryor either. I will tell you off the air. but he said is no. He said he's

speaker-0 (21:46)

He was in the minor leagues.

speaker-1 (21:47)

still part of the players' association because he had a contract in twenty twenty six.

Um and he said there's not gonna be a lockout. It's going to go the owners are gonna give in to something, they're gonna put up this fake argument and then right after the Super Bowl it'll get done.

speaker-2 (22:04)

My topic isn't per se about the lockout itself. It's I'm curious how these teams are gonna handle if this this projected floor and cap system does go into place. Like are this off season, are we gonna see like the Marlins, the A

speaker-1 (22:18)

Sign

a thirty million dollar contract.

speaker-2 (22:20)

Yeah, go and actually try and sign f free agents. Go grab like a I'm trying to think of a nobody free agent out there right now. It's Sonny Gray, not a nobody, but maybe overpay for Sonny Gray and get him for a year or two to get your floor.

speaker-1 (22:34)

Brady Cree

agent. A number three starter. Give him fifteen million. Well what's gonna happen

speaker-2 (22:41)

Yeah,

showda Showday Managa thirty million. Like s I could be curious

speaker-1 (22:44)

I'm

speaker-2 (22:45)

if something like that could go down.

speaker-1 (22:47)

Do you think teams, let's say, like the Pirates were last year, where they offered Schwarber, they offered Polanca, they offered some big names, and all of them said no? If you're a team like the Pirates and you're getting down to the end of free agency, no one wants to sign you, do you start throwing big contracts at bad players, like one year deals, just to get above the floor for that year and give the impression that maybe you could compete, uh, and then the following year try to swing some three to four year deals?

Like our team's gonna be signing guys just to get over that cap. And could you would would it do you think you'd start extending people? Like uh take a shot at

speaker-2 (23:23)

where I was gonna go with Does

that does that make them give Schemes what he wants? Being forced to spend. Which that's to not to say if Schemes wants to stay there, but

speaker-1 (23:35)

You just got an offer. One crude.

speaker-2 (23:37)

You if you can go out in pub in public and say you tried, you offered schemes ten years, four hundred million, maybe that entices some more free agents to come in and go, maybe they're serious about building something, spending some money. I'm curious how it's gonna play out.

speaker-1 (23:55)

I have a thought on this, and this is something I've thought about in great detail. They're talking about the max salary, like the NBA does. It's a max salary of something like 35 million a year. Super Supermax. Supermax. And they're talking about doing names. Guys like Ultra Jr.

speaker-0 (24:11)

Yeah.

speaker-1 (24:11)

the the Mega Infinity Max.

speaker-0 (24:14)

The mega ultra box contract.

speaker-1 (24:17)

They say that Bobby Wood Jr.'s contract will be grandfathered in above the the max. So at that point, there's no fucking chance Bobby Wood Jr. leaves Kansas City because he would have to take a pay cut down to the max with a different team. Yeah. So for I think if if it looks like it's gonna go that way, do you start seeing teams extend their guys above what the max salary would be, just so that they're grandfathered in, especially if there was some kind of clause saying that the higher spending teams

get a grandfather period to bring those salaries down. So a gu like LA, do you extend host Way to Paula? Do you extend some of those young guys before you've gotta start slashing salary to get down under the the the cap.

Special as you say, Hey, we'll give you thirty eight a year right now and that will be above everybody else's contract in four years. Because everybody else is gonna be signing max salary deals at twenty eight to thirty two or something, whatever it is.

I'm done talking, by the way.

speaker-0 (25:19)

All right, that's a good spot. I think we'll move into the World Series. Okay, the World Series has wrapped. We have no baseball left to play. Um unless you're a fan of men's league baseball coming in uh

March, most likely. I have the winter meetings. but chaotically intolerant is sponsoring their own baseball team. We will be running our own baseball team, which would be pretty, pretty fucking cool. you guys will have lineup. I'll give you guys some lineup uh what am I thinking of? Why why can't I? In uh input. Lineup input if you guys would like just to build the lineup a little bit. I'll get some film for you

speaker-1 (26:00)

Let's fucking bench Alex every week.

speaker-0 (26:02)

guys. Shut the fuck up. We're pulling. We're pulling

speaker-1 (26:05)

No,

for the first.

speaker-0 (26:06)

Well actually the dog is the general manager. Technically, my dog is the general manager. She's been marked as that. She

speaker-1 (26:11)

Oh she

speaker-0 (26:12)

makes all the decisions. We have a female general manager, so we're very progressive.

speaker-1 (26:18)

He doesn't know ball. Yes. She doesn't know ball. She knows how to fetch a ball, but that's about it. More

speaker-0 (26:23)

She knows Bob. She knows Bob.

speaker-1 (26:25)

ball than your average American congressman.

speaker-0 (26:28)

That's true. That's very true.

speaker-2 (26:29)

Well

her last name isn't Ursay, is it?

speaker-0 (26:31)

No, it's not Ursay. That's a part that's a part of my that's a part of my opinion. That's a part of my opinion, the the Colts. Colts are back. Um Yeah. Um but the World Series has wrapped the Milwaukee Brewers are uh where are they in the twenty first century of World Series champions? I mean, where do we rank them? They're the I feel like after every World Series everyone's like, No, this was the best of all time. But they really do feel like

As a pure baseball team, they feel like one of the best.

speaker-1 (27:03)

I I they rem I'm you'll make fun of me. Just give me like 30 seconds before you make fun of me. They remind me a lot of the 2015 Kansas City Royals, where they're getting a lot of contributions, they steal a lot of bases, they play great great defense, and they don't have a ton of starting pitching depth, but they've got a fucking super deep bullpen. I mean, you had Greg Holland, Kelvin Herrera, Wade Davis, um Ryan Madsen, Luke Ho Chaver. Very similar to how the Brewers were constructed. Let's get a lead.

And get to the sixth inning and then fucking game over. Yeah. The Royals didn't in 2015 didn't lose a game in which they entered the seventh inning with a lead. And that's how the Brewers felt. If you got into the seventh and they were winning, you're fucked. Game over. Um, I don't think they're the best

speaker-0 (27:50)

Yes.

speaker-1 (27:51)

moder like team in recent years, but I think they're the most complete. All around top to bottom. I don't I can't think of another team that doesn't have a true weakness. Like what was the Brewers' biggest weakness?

Starting pitching after Henderson and Mizrowski.

speaker-2 (28:07)

It was power going into the postseason and the they

speaker-1 (28:10)

And that was a

speaker-2 (28:11)

figured that out, yeah. I I mean, in terms of dominance through a postseason run, they've got to be one of the best of this century. I'm not talking about like star power or the actual completeness of the team, but they went on I think they had a better run than the twenty eighteen Red Sox, is what I wanted to compare it to.

speaker-1 (28:30)

What was their final What was their right?

speaker-0 (28:31)

I think record wise, yeah.

speaker-2 (28:35)

Red Sox lost three. I believe the Brewers lost two.

speaker-1 (28:38)

Twenty fifteen Royals were eleven, eleven and eleven and four.

speaker-2 (28:44)

Well the eighteen Red Sox lost one game every series. Yeah. I think the Brewers Brewers lost one of the Padres, swept the Dodgers. Dodgers lost one of the Rays.

speaker-1 (28:53)

One so two.

speaker-2 (28:55)

So in terms of dominance there was

speaker-0 (28:57)

On this very program I did say Brewers and Five on our Brewers and

speaker-1 (29:01)

It's a brand set.

speaker-0 (29:02)

think Yeah.

speaker-2 (29:02)

I only

said six because I've understood one at home.

speaker-1 (29:05)

Mm-hmm.

speaker-2 (29:06)

I would have picked brewers and four if I could have.

speaker-1 (29:08)

Any

of us pick Wilson Contreras for MVP?

speaker-2 (29:10)

Took yellowish.

speaker-1 (29:12)

Yeah, you yellow.

speaker-0 (29:14)

I don't think I did my pick on that show. I just did uh

speaker-1 (29:18)

I got Bowers

right for the NLCS. That was what a rush that was.

speaker-2 (29:22)

Do we think Contreras fully deserved it? I mean pr I mean yes he did, but was he the most deserving?

speaker-1 (29:29)

Yes. Yes.

speaker-2 (29:31)

You had sure.

speaker-0 (29:32)

They was like where they

speaker-1 (29:37)

Look

up look up his challenge percentage. Look up his challenge.

speaker-2 (29:40)

Yeah,

I was gonna throw on the defense. He was throwing out runners. He did he have three in one game, I think.

speaker-1 (29:46)

And I think he only missed one challenge in the World Series. And a lot of were like fairly impactful ABS calls he made that were correct. The one he got wrong I remember was when he stared down Yandi Diaz and then got it wrong.

speaker-2 (30:00)

Yeah, I do I d I do think he was deserving, but it was crazy to me how how many guys you've had a case for. I think Churio Churio had a great Mizorowski had a great case. It was for me it was Churio, Mizarrowski, Ashby, or Freelick.

speaker-1 (30:14)

Or um I would put Ashby over

I would put Ashby over Mizrowski. Because Mizrowski wasn't great in the first game. Ashby was fucking lights out the entire season.

speaker-2 (30:24)

I mean Mizrowski was ten innings, one, two runs maybe in the series. How long?

speaker-1 (30:29)

It'll be last in game one.

speaker-2 (30:30)

I think he was five. He might have came out in the fifth.

speaker-1 (30:35)

You keep talking, I'll I'll look this up.

speaker-0 (30:37)

I r I just remember when I think I remember when they pulled them pulled him in game one, I was like, That's like

speaker-1 (30:42)

Say it was like four four.

speaker-0 (30:43)

they were a little a little over managing. I mean it worked out for But

speaker-2 (30:47)

I

would have guessed two outs in the first.

speaker-0 (30:49)

Um

speaker-1 (30:50)

he pitched he pitched five complete and then they brought in with Yuribe Ashby McGill. So five with three strikeouts. Um and then but he can't when he came back out for a second star of the series, I think he settled into like, I'm not gonna be able to strike the rays out every fucking batter. And I think that was I think he was pitching for the strikeout in game one and was only able to get three, and that's frustrating for a guy like Vizrowski. But to see him come back out and say, Okay, well, fuck it. I'll I'll pitch for pitch frouts, I'll throw it a contact, and it worked.

I think that's gonna be a massive piece of his development going into next season, understanding that you don't you don't gotta strike out eleven every game. And that's part of the Brewer's magic. You can get a guy to buy into you're not gonna be able to play your normal style against this team. Let's play the winning style. And that was interesting. Also, Ashby has the most fucking disgusting curveball I've seen in a long time. Can we have this conversation? Chris Carpenter and who else? Who did you say?

Caleb, I'm talking to you.

speaker-2 (31:48)

I either said Zeta or Clay Buckled.

speaker-1 (31:50)

I think you said Zeto. Zeto did have a fucking Philippi curveball, but Ashby coming off the back of like a ninety nine mile an hour fastball is unreal. Um

speaker-2 (32:00)

There were just a lot of guys that had a legitimate argument for MVP in this area.

speaker-1 (32:04)

Did

you say Cooper Pratt?

speaker-2 (32:05)

No, but he he at least had a discussion. Yeah, he had an argument. I said I said freelake for the uh the home earned

speaker-1 (32:13)

Home runs. Yeah.

speaker-2 (32:14)

Yeah, the ho w the the go at home earned game two. But

speaker-1 (32:19)

Cooper Pratt could

go ahead in what five?

speaker-2 (32:23)

He had a go ahead hit in game one. He had a go ahead hit in game one and then an extra innings home run in the game they lost.

speaker-1 (32:31)

What I find interesting about the series is outside of game three, that eighth inning in game three, or the eight run, sorry, the eight run inning in game three, the whole series just seemed like a continuation of the same game. It was very similar. Yeah.

speaker-0 (32:48)

It was very close. I it felt yeah, and it it I mean I've been seeing people complaining saying like worst World Series ever. Just they're just saying that because it was a five game series and there was one blowout game, that was it. There it was a great all the other four games were great games. The first two were like I was literally just saying cinema like the whole time. Yeah.

speaker-2 (33:09)

Game

four was game four was awesome.

speaker-0 (33:11)

Yeah, game four was great. Um yeah, game four. Um but like the first

speaker-1 (33:17)

There's two. Sorry.

speaker-0 (33:18)

the first two especially, I mean I think it was game two that the fireworks went off and then they had to get the final out through through the fireworks. Was it game two? That was

speaker-2 (33:26)

Game one.

speaker-0 (33:27)

that was game one, okay. Like

speaker-1 (33:29)

It

just that's what I'm saying, Alex. You it's very difficult to remember what game things happen because you have other World Series where team A wins by four runs, then team B wins by five, then you have a close one. And it was like close game, close game, close game, back and forth, back and forth, except for one inning of of the five game series. And I think that was really neat. I say, look, we're we're in for another fucking nail biter tomorrow because this one went into the ninth inning.

And I would like you both to admit that the Rays are the best team in the American League.

Oh you guys are fucking pussies. Who who said the Rays are the best team in the American League like mid season?

speaker-2 (34:10)

At full health or not. Vault teams at full health.

speaker-1 (34:13)

No, but nobody's ever at full health and who managed their injuries better? Who who played through time off

speaker-2 (34:19)

The Rays didn't

speaker-1 (34:20)

the season?

speaker-2 (34:21)

the Rays performed the best in the American league this season.

speaker-1 (34:24)

Exactly. Thank you. With the current circumstances.

speaker-0 (34:26)

Circumstance.

speaker-1 (34:26)

I think I was

speaker-2 (34:27)

Well

I would not call them I would not call them the best team in the American league.

speaker-1 (34:30)

Well I th I said earlier in the season the Rays are gonna

speaker-0 (34:34)

They lose

Nick Martinez in free agency.

speaker-1 (34:36)

They're going to. And they're did

speaker-0 (34:37)

Yeah. They're only gonna get worse it's off season.

speaker-1 (34:40)

Rasmussen take the did they they picked up the option on Rasperson already?

speaker-2 (34:45)

They had to have because I would have been campaigning for now.

speaker-1 (34:48)

Peralt is a free agent.

Peralt is a free agent.

speaker-0 (34:51)

Yeah, Peralta's polygon they're only gonna get worse.

speaker-1 (34:55)

They're gonna lose Peralta. They're gonna no, but they're not though. There's somebody in that organization that we have no fucking idea who they are. And they're gonna come out and they're just going to be solid as fuck the entire season. They'll go out and sign some wash.

speaker-0 (35:10)

But they're not gonna be the best team in the American League.

speaker-1 (35:12)

But they will sign Brady Singer and then Brady Singer will be

speaker-0 (35:17)

I couldn't I actually very well could see that name on a raised jersey. I like see it in my head and I'm like that makes sense.

speaker-2 (35:24)

They'll sign Gary Sanchez and he's gonna hit forty owners. Yeah. There's some they're they I don't know how, they just find a way.

speaker-1 (35:28)

You're gonna win the really fucking good.

Voodoo. Voodoo Wanderfranc goes down there to Dominican Republic doing voodoo. Root for the rays.

speaker-0 (35:42)

Where do we rank game four in Ray's history of greatest games ever? Because I think it's top five for them.

speaker-1 (35:51)

Two. Two. Behind game one was it game one sixty two? When Elongoria hit the

speaker-0 (35:56)

Than

the Brett Phillips though? Was it better than the Brett Phillips?

speaker-1 (35:59)

Yeah, I believe uh

speaker-2 (36:01)

Error. He scored an error. Look what Brett Phillips said is the most over moment of all time.

speaker-0 (36:07)

What about what about the Crawford record breaking one? When he broke the Steel W did he break the Steel's record? I think he stole the record Sensor.

speaker-2 (36:14)

Like oh

speaker-1 (36:16)

Nev but you're never gonna put an ind ma one individual accomplishment makes a specific game like

speaker-0 (36:22)

I'm just saying this is the raise. I'm not I'm I'm talking I'm not talking about a real organization. I'm talking about the devil raise.

speaker-1 (36:30)

Twenty twenty-seven game

speaker-0 (36:31)

Definitely the greatest devil raise game.

speaker-1 (36:33)

six of the American League Championship Series when the Rays knock out Boston next year to go to the World Series. It's gonna be the best Rays game. On the back of the

speaker-0 (36:41)

I'm also thinking game seven. I'm also thinking did you say you said game six of the twenty twenty seven?

speaker-1 (36:48)

American

speaker-0 (36:48)

I'm thinking game game seven of O eight. To beat the Red Sox on that double play. Was it a double or no, is that grounder up the middle?

speaker-2 (36:58)

I just remember Price closed it out and I was a heartbroken child.

speaker-1 (37:02)

Team was fucking stacked. The O eight Rays were a really fucking good team. And they ran into but they ran into the the Phillies pitching staff.

speaker-0 (37:10)

Why is that always the situation for them? Whenever they they make it to whenever they do anything good, it's like, but they ran into someone else good. Maybe they just weren't that good. Right, Caleb? No, they weren't.

speaker-1 (37:20)

They weren't that good in twenty twenty. They were not that good in twenty twenty. But I'm the biggest race fan. I was on the Jumbotron, so you are

speaker-0 (37:28)

are the

biggest race fan. Now I I have to say this as well because there is never

speaker-1 (37:31)

I was

clarify I was on the jumbo truck.

speaker-0 (37:35)

If we recorded last week, this was gonna be my my opinion, but I'm just gonna do it now. Um, this is the first World Series that I've ever watched that convinced me that the city does not deserve the team. I've never seen another World Series where I've been like, they really should not be in St. Pete or Tampa Tampa or Tampa. Because what are you tell why what the fuck are you saying? it's an hour away, it's there's too much traffic. Are you fucking serious?

speaker-1 (38:05)

Hours

to watch them and I'm not even a fucking Rays fan.

speaker-0 (38:09)

World

series Game three, World Series, Game Four, World Series Game Five after a walk off where everyone is like, Look, they could do what the Red Sox did in 04 af they get their asses handed to them in Game Four. And Milwaukee, I heard Sal Freelicks interview on Pardon My Take, and he goes, Yeah, game three, like we were there, we were, you know, working out early, and we thought it was gonna be empty, but all we heard was Milwaukee chance. Like the fan the the Brewers fans packed the stadium to the gills.

Just in game.

speaker-1 (38:39)

Fans

packed the Brewer Stadium when the games were in Tampa Bay to watch it on the Jumbotron together. Uh the bar

speaker-0 (38:48)

We

had they had Rays fans on the field because they could not pack the stadium for the watch party. They like, Yeah, just go on the field. There's no one else in the stands who gives a shit.

speaker-1 (39:00)

Did

you see the story about Fergs? The Brewers fans took over Fergs and drank a month's worth of Miller Light in like five hours and they ran out of Miller Light. To be fair most beer they've ever sold

speaker-0 (39:13)

A month's worth of A month's worth of beer in Florida is like a day's worth of beer in Milwaukee.

speaker-1 (39:19)

Exactly. But it just overhead.

They had like a a uh so on social media the bar showed an overhead, all Brewers fans, shoulder to shoulder, because then you can just walk in the stadium and ten thousand hammered Milwaukee fans rolled in there for game five and they fucking I mean it was a Milwaukee home game. That is embarrassing.

speaker-0 (39:42)

Really

bad.

speaker-2 (39:43)

I saw some clips of the watch party at the trop and it was what it was what fifty people on the field? And half of them were Burroughs fans. Burroughs

speaker-0 (39:51)

Yeah.

speaker-2 (39:52)

fans screaming in the on the field.

speaker-1 (39:55)

and my wife fact checked this. It was cheaper to go to a game in Tampa Bay than it was And fly hotel

speaker-0 (40:02)

Fly there and fly there from the water.

speaker-1 (40:05)

rental car than to go to a game in Milwaukee. Which is

speaker-0 (40:08)

Which

that is a perfect supply and demand like less capitalism for you. Because no but there is no demand for the rays in St. Pete. And again, the argument that it's Tampa is not fair to me. That's just that I don't accept that.

speaker-1 (40:24)

I live down the street from the trop. I would walk into games on like the sixth inning and nobody check your ticket. There's eighty people in there. Most people are already leaving. Like I'm like this is a good game. There's a good

speaker-0 (40:36)

I Yeah.

I said this in the group chat. I think send the Rays I know you don't like this. Send the Rays to Montreal. Do the e make the Expos. Send the Marlins to Orlando and just make them Florida's team. They can do the Disney shit. They can do all the Disney shit. They'll I mean they would make a ton of money. Like it would be

speaker-1 (40:58)

They mixed

ears on their fucking baseball cap.

speaker-0 (41:01)

That would be fucking hilarious. That would be fucking hilarious. You could literally call any if they ever won a World Series, you could literally call it a Mickey Mouse World Series. It is the actual Mickey Mouse.

speaker-1 (41:13)

I'm going down the street to Disney World. I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying here.

speaker-0 (41:18)

I'm

staying here at home. But it I mean it's a Orlando is the most densely populated area and you have you would have eighty two baseball games in the most populated area of the most densely populated area of

speaker-1 (41:32)

And you know what you're not talking about. How many people uh that are fans of other teams would say, Hey, our summer vacation will go to Disney because our team is in town. We'll go to a game and we'll go to Disney. It w I mean, you would sell a lot it would still be a lot of fans of other teams, but you would sell a lot of tickets. People that are already in Disney say, well, we're

speaker-0 (41:56)

It has to be better than the trap. And Caleb, what's your what's your feel on Miami? What are the I don't know what they're they've ha they have been bad for a long time. When they're good do they pack that thing out?

speaker-2 (42:07)

I mean you saw what the place looked like in WBC.

speaker-1 (42:12)

Yeah,

speaker-0 (42:13)

I don't know.

speaker-1 (42:14)

I don't

speaker-2 (42:15)

The international fans, but

speaker-1 (42:16)

like people.

speaker-2 (42:17)

that place can get packed out. Like Miami is a good a good market.

speaker-0 (42:24)

I'm specifically talking for the Marley.

speaker-1 (42:25)

League

that can you have a major sports league that doesn't have a team in Miami? Like can you that's I mean

speaker-0 (42:31)

I mean like there's the Florida Panthers, they're not really Miami. They're like just just outside of Miami. That's

speaker-2 (42:38)

Yeah, they're a little north of it.

speaker-1 (42:39)

It's

like it's like saying the Patriots aren't Boston's team. Because they're outside of Boston. It's

speaker-0 (42:45)

They're

the New England areas team. That's what I that's what I see at. They're the New England areas team. There's all there's one baseball team in the New England areas.

speaker-1 (42:53)

It's Boston's team. It's it's the Boston Patriots. Come on now, dude.

speaker-0 (42:57)

They were the Boston Patriots when they played in Boston. When they played in Boston.

speaker-1 (43:02)

Back to the point, can you have a major sports league that doesn't have a team in like one of the the the biggest it's like one of the big five cities like Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, fucking probably Detroit and Miami.

speaker-0 (43:16)

I am beside.

speaker-1 (43:18)

It does suck but it's also a major US city.

speaker-2 (43:24)

You especially for a sport especially for a sport like baseball that has so much Latin culture and some so many Latin players and fans, I don't

speaker-1 (43:35)

I don't I don't know. By the I just wanna clarify I wasn't being racist where I said when I said that the WBC was packed because of Hispanic people, I was saying that's part of the draw of having baseball in Miami, like you were saying.

speaker-0 (43:47)

Well

there is a that's I don't think that's racist. There is a large Hispanic population in Miami. Like that city is defined by the Hispanic population in that area. That that's I think that's a fact.

speaker-1 (43:59)

Can't can't

take baseball away from from the Cubans.

speaker-0 (44:02)

That's fine. We can leave it. We'll leave baseball in Miami. But move the Rays to Montreal, make the expos. Just make the expos.

speaker-1 (44:10)

I don't know we

speaker-0 (44:11)

No, don't move to Nashville. Ew, dude. Keep him out of

speaker-1 (44:15)

team to fucking Canada.

speaker-0 (44:17)

Send one team to Canada.

speaker-1 (44:18)

The Expos lost their fucking team. They they already lost their team. Why do we reward why say well they couldn't they can't keep a team in St. Pete? Let them

speaker-0 (44:27)

They had great branding. Because they had gorgeous uniforms and great branding. They don't. No, they don't.

speaker-1 (44:33)

So do the Rays. The Rays they have great uniform.

speaker-0 (44:39)

No they don't.

speaker-1 (44:40)

Montreal offers anything that St. Petersburg does.

speaker-2 (44:43)

ones they brought back were pretty sweet.

speaker-0 (44:46)

Yeah. Yeah, but they've been the fucking rays for however the fuck long their lo their main logo is still that fucking They

speaker-1 (44:54)

Major

speaker-0 (44:54)

can't decide between being a ray of sunshine and a fucking

You can't decide between which one. They go back and forth. They're like, no, we're actually a ray of sunshine.

speaker-1 (45:04)

What is an expo?

speaker-0 (45:05)

I don't give a fuck what an expo is. They decided that they're the expos. They decided they are an expo. They decided that they are an expo. They were consistent. That they were like we are the expos.

speaker-1 (45:16)

Caleb, what's an expo?

speaker-2 (45:17)

The

speaker-1 (45:18)

The marker

No, it was was like the World's Fair or they had the like the World Expo in Montreal the year that the expos came. That's pretty sick. And that's a soup but it's a super outdated fucking concept. No one knows

speaker-0 (45:36)

That's great. Bring it back. Bring back your World Sphere. I want the Worlds Fair. We're gonna move on to our opinions. Um Yeah, our opinions.

All right, welcome back to the show that was inspired by Harambe's death in two thousand sixteen. Um geez, that was fucking ten years ago now, two thousand sixteen. Feels like it was just like a year ago. Um

speaker-1 (46:10)

Yeah.

speaker-0 (46:11)

R.I.P. Harambe. Uh definitely not inspired by part in the inter ESPN's pardon the interruption. Um I'm gonna start with my opinion. I'm gonna start with my opinion.

That is going to inevitably get my heart broken and um but uh Colts are back. I'm already back, I'm so back on them. Um the fan fiction that I've been writing in my head about this Colts team and the future of the Colts is undefeated in my brain. Um Peyton Manning already said he's not interested in being a GM. He's he makes like fifty grand a word.

That he says on his Monday night broadcast. He's perfectly fine, but um, it includes him, um, Sean McDermott coming in to be the head coach. I'm I'm already sold on that. Um, yeah, the Colts are back. Uh we're already we so the funniest part to me, which that's my opinion, is that the Colts are back. I know you guys are gonna say no, but the funniest thing is that we're already fucking up the rebuild. Like when they fired Chris Ballard, I was like, we're back.

And then when they traded DeForest Buckner and Quentin Nelson for like peanuts, I was already like, shit. We're we're already fucked. Um now it was peanuts because considering the age, they're both north of 30. They're both on expiring contracts. I kind of got it. But then seeing Jeffrey Simmons get two first round picks from the Bears, like the Titans and Colts reset the trade market. That's why it's been so quiet.

Because everyone's like, what the fuck is anyone worth at this point anymore? Because twenty eight year old Jeffrey Simmons is now worth two first round picks.

speaker-1 (47:55)

Had a hell of a game.

speaker-0 (47:56)

And thirty year old Quentin Nelson is worth a second and a fifth. And DeForest Buck thirty two years.

speaker-1 (48:02)

Is

not one of the best linemen in football or am I

speaker-0 (48:06)

Yeah, but he is on an expiring contract and they're gonna have to pay him. Like they're going to have to pay him a lot of money um in the off season. But still, like second and a fifth for Quentin Nelson, and I think they got like a fourth rounder for DeForest Buckner, who they traded a first round pick to the forty niners in two thousand and eighteen to get DeForest Buckner. So they just sent him right back for like a fourth round pick. but it doesn't matter. Carly Ursay's gonna save us. The Colts are back. Um Caleb, get ready because

Colts Patriots is gonna be a rivalry again.

speaker-2 (48:38)

If only the Colts had a D B that was worth two first round picks.

speaker-0 (48:42)

Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Shut up. I I I genuinely I want them to trade everyone. I know Colts fans are like, don't trade Jonathan Taylor, but considering how long a rebuild will take for this team, consider

speaker-1 (48:56)

Jonathan Taylor.

speaker-0 (48:57)

and his value, which they're they're saying that they're getting second round pick offers. Are you fucking serious? They're like, they're gonna get like two second rounders, two third, like a third rounder, a fourth round, or a fifth round. I don't want five picks.

I want two first round picks for Jonathan Taylor. If Jeffrey Simmons gets two first round picks, Jonathan Taylor should at least be two first round picks and a third round pick. Twenty eight.

speaker-1 (49:21)

So he's only got a year and a half left.

speaker-0 (49:24)

I think he's got a little more. I think he's got a little more than that. I think

speaker-1 (49:26)

Right, we're

speaker-0 (49:27)

he's got a little more than that. I think he's got a little how old is Derek Henry right now?

speaker-2 (49:32)

Derrick Henry's not gonna get a first round pistol.

speaker-1 (49:34)

It's not the same.

speaker-0 (49:36)

But thirty two years old. That means you would get three

speaker-2 (49:38)

Maybe not even a second.

speaker-0 (49:40)

you would have three years of Jonathan Taylor. But Derek Henry

speaker-1 (49:43)

Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry is like six nine and can run through a fucking

speaker-0 (49:47)

Jonathan

Taylor is incredibly smart. He he fucking knows how to take care of his body. He wanted to like get his doctorate if he wasn't gonna go to the NFL.

speaker-1 (49:56)

Find me a running back of his size that is still good at thirty one years old. And don't say Frank Orr. 'Cause he's like the

speaker-0 (50:03)

Why can't I say Frank Gore?

speaker-1 (50:04)

because that's I'm saying you can't say Frank Orr. Adrian Peterson. Jonathan Taylor's an Adrian Peterson though.

speaker-2 (50:11)

James White.

speaker-0 (50:12)

He also, Jonathan Taylor has not been injured. Like he has not been a v he is not a very injured quarterback. So he's

Still ver still a good passing back. uh

speaker-1 (50:23)

But are you but are you giving two first rounders for Alvin Kamara?

speaker-0 (50:26)

Not right now, but at twenty eight.

speaker-1 (50:29)

How old's Kamara? He

speaker-0 (50:31)

Thirty one right now.

speaker-1 (50:32)

but he would not have fetched two first rounders at twenty eight.

speaker-0 (50:35)

Three for three two to three good years to a contender. A contending team who needs a good running back.

Would ideally already have a good offensive line. Look at the Giants.

speaker-1 (50:48)

I would accept a f a second, a third for Taylor.

speaker-0 (50:51)

It should at least be a first rounder. A first round pick for John.

speaker-2 (50:54)

It's gonna be a second and a fifth.

speaker-0 (50:56)

It should not they should not take they should just say

speaker-1 (50:59)

Giving you I was giving you more. Can I do my take now or my opinion? I have a real good one. Okay. My opinion is that the PGA shouldn't let anybody back from Live Golf. We're getting reports that the backers of Live Golf are now backing out. So they will no longer be backing Live Golf. Live Golf is going to declare bankruptcy. Um, I believe Brooks Kepka accepted the returning member program. Yeah, it was a one time he w he accepted it. Um

speaker-0 (51:28)

Just thinking it thinking about it.

speaker-1 (51:29)

Yes,

John Rahm has left. If you did not take the multiple opportunities to return, i.e. Price the Shambo, or Bryce and the Shambo, and some of the other big names, do not let them back. Because they're saying, well, you can take the one year suspension and you can re-earn your spot or the Corn Ferry tour or the European tour. Those guys will steamroll those tours, right? They will steamroll them and they'll be back in one year.

Do not let them back in because all that says is the next time that some big money league wants to try the same shit like they're already talking about with Live two point oh, players are going to leave again. Unless you say, if you leave, you are done. Period. Brooks kept gotta pay five million dollars to come back.

speaker-0 (52:15)

That's fine. Um the PGA Tours goal is to have the best golfers on the planet competing for titles.

If you do not have the best golfers on the planet and they're just sitting on the sidelines, it's not like they're like, we wanted to like they did want to go do that, but now they're sitting on the sidelines doing nothing. I think that's just a lot a losing that's just a loss for the PGA tour. That's just that is worse golf. That is a worse product.

speaker-2 (52:43)

You're cutting out a piece of the fan base.

speaker-0 (52:46)

You just are. Like they are they have

speaker-1 (52:48)

uh

They cut out a piece of the fan base when they fucking left.

speaker-0 (52:53)

They did. So why did they which let me tell you something, I'm not a hundred percent sure they would steamroll through the Corn Ferry Tour or through Q School. I d I'm not a hundred percent sure.

speaker-1 (53:03)

Best

ones would. DeShambeau would. De Shambeau would would win that tour without

speaker-0 (53:07)

Still a

very fickle game. It can be very it I'm telling you. These guys have been playing lower level golf for a very long time now. They at they would it could take them time. I'm not saying I they probably would roll through, but I'm not saying that would be a guarantee. Maybe like a John Rahm, yeah, he would roll through, whatever, not a problem. But there are some like middle level guys that did take that big money. Yeah, let's But they would not come back. Which is fine.

I think that that would show that they're just not good enough right now and that's perfectly fine. But the PGA Tour, their job is to have the greatest golfers on the planet competing. And if you just can't say that if John Rahm is not competing.

speaker-1 (53:47)

Okay, so if you have an employee, let's say chaotically

speaker-0 (53:50)

This

is not employee. This is not employee type of this is

speaker-1 (53:53)

Employee,

you offered him a chance to come back. He said, I'll take the money over here. Say, okay, well, hey, go take the money over there. Go take all the money that's left. And he's not he said he wasn't willing. DeShambeau specifically, said he's not willing to give up his uh shares and live golf. Now his shares and live golf are worth zero. Uh he's not willing to give up his endorsements from over there. No, no, no, no. He but he wants to be able to play in the majors.

He wants to be able to play in live golf year round and he wanted to be able to play in the majors. You already gave a concession by allowing them to play in the Masters.

speaker-0 (54:26)

Yeah.

speaker-1 (54:26)

And you continue. Let him let him keep playing in the Masters. Let him play in the in the majors. But say you're not allowed to play in the you're not allowed to compete for the FedEx Cup. You're not allowed to be in the playoffs. And you can't and honestly, we're not gonna let you play in the Ryder Cup. You can play in the majors, but you spend the rest of the year in whatever golf league will take you. That's my opinion.

speaker-0 (54:46)

Um again they want that's not like us where someone goes to a competing company and then wants to come back. Obviously I'm like, no, you went, I gave you

speaker-1 (54:55)

For saying fuck you.

speaker-0 (54:57)

But their goal, the goal for them is to produce to have the best golfers, have the best golfers compete against each other. That is like the ultimate goal for them. Us, it's a little different. Like we do this cause we like it and we want we do it with people that we like. They don't like each other. They don't have

speaker-1 (55:15)

Actively

speaker-0 (55:16)

Right.

speaker-1 (55:18)

tried to harm the PGA Tour. Knowingly.

speaker-0 (55:21)

They are still they still want the PJ Tour still wants the best golfers. And if they don't have the best golfers, that also harms them. So if they can get them back, they're probably like, yeah, come compete, pay us the five million dollars to come back that Brooks Kepka did. And w you know, we're fine. Like we're good. We're chillin'. I think that's very like obviously we have

It's like in the office when Michael Scott had Dwight like do his laundry for a year and he was 'cause he lied to him trying to go over his head to Jan. Like you have to have some sort of punishment but you don't just say no. Like minimum

speaker-1 (55:57)

Minimum two years two year major suspension, uh fines on all

speaker-0 (56:02)

Suspension, just find Find the shit out of 'em. Just find the shit. Make a play for free for a year. I I don't fucking know. But

speaker-1 (56:09)

Find take take twenty five percent of all your winnings for two years to repay the financial harm you did to the tour and to the fan base.

speaker-2 (56:18)

So if say if Ronald Acuna and Fernando Tatis and Jose Ramirez go spend a year or two in Banana Ball because they're off

speaker-1 (56:30)

No, it's that's not n but that's that's not the same as another organization in a foreign country creating their own baseball league with the intent of scalping players from the major leagues. That's

speaker-0 (56:43)

Uh

speaker-1 (56:43)

a Saudi backed league

speaker-0 (56:45)

But you're s

speaker-1 (56:46)

Not

the same as going playing in a KBO or something.

speaker-0 (56:48)

And we need to go to Caleb's thing, but the the top hat guy in Banana Ball got death threats because someone was drafted to the wrong team.

speaker-1 (56:57)

That's really good.

speaker-0 (56:58)

He put out a whole video addressing it. He was like, Me and my wife have been getting death threats because this guy was drafted to the Indianapolis clowns. I don't know. But just It's not funny, but it's kind of fucking hilarious. Who's taking Banana Ball that seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

speaker-1 (57:13)

Fucking banana. uh

speaker-0 (57:15)

Caleb's Caleb's probably yeah, Caleb's probably on the phone. Caleb's

Jackie Bradley Jr.'s not playing anymore, you gotta kill yourself!

speaker-1 (57:23)

Fuck Caleb dude, he's all Caleb is an awful person for doing that.

speaker-0 (57:27)

All right.

speaker-2 (57:31)

I'll keep mine quick. the Mets are the front runners to Son Terra School apparently. Uh I think

speaker-0 (57:37)

Gotta

have Serafino, right?

speaker-2 (57:38)

Mm. Maybe. Uh

speaker-1 (57:40)

Kind of an easy take though, you know.

speaker-2 (57:42)

I think they are worse off signing Scoobyl than they would be distributing that money somewhere else. Um, especially if there's a cap incoming. Uh I know that for the inter

speaker-0 (57:54)

Absolutely

would. I agree.

speaker-1 (57:56)

I I

speaker-2 (57:56)

I don't think they are a scuba away from contending. We saw them this year, just the the absolute shit show of pitching they ran out there this year. It it's not exactly a top heavy free agent class in terms of pitching, but it's deep. Like you have a lot of options and a lot of those options are better than I don't know when they're even running out in their in their fifth fifth starter, but they can go and

speaker-0 (58:23)

Yeah.

speaker-1 (58:24)

There's a salary cap.

speaker-0 (58:25)

If

speaker-2 (58:26)

Yeah, I don't know enough about

speaker-0 (58:27)

Bean

if Billy Bean had the Mets spending, they would have won five World Series by now. John, just watch Moneyball.

speaker-1 (58:34)

Moneyball fucking sucks, dude. No, they they'd have one good season, then they'd they'd let Nick Kurtz go because Lucas Duda's available. And he's an on-bass guy. High on base guy Lucas Duda. From the KB.

speaker-0 (58:48)

Caleb, you agree with me, right? If Billy Bean if if Moneyball had all that money, be double Money Ball. Moneyball times two. Moneyball two Moneyball

speaker-1 (58:57)

Billionaire ball uh

speaker-0 (59:00)

two?

speaker-1 (59:01)

Moneyball two, the Mets spend as much money as they possibly can and still lose.

speaker-0 (59:06)

Sorry I took over your your take. I had to just bring up Moneyball in another episode. It it just grinds his gears. I love doing it.

speaker-2 (59:13)

No, but um yeah, basically I w if I were the Mets I'd go after guys in the middle tier if the the starting pitching market, like Michael King's not exactly middle, but I'd go Michael King go yeah, Pavetta, Shodem Managa, Boy.

speaker-0 (59:28)

Multiple

stars on the roster and they're bad. Like clearly the the issue is not we need more stars.

speaker-1 (59:34)

They've

done bad stuff.

speaker-2 (59:35)

They Young Bats, they have Juan Soto, they have Fran Francisco Lintor. Your pitching is your issue. Go address the pitching and not blow it all on one guy. Like Terek Scuble is not going to bring the Mets to the World Series.

speaker-1 (59:51)

Are they not gonna be in the worst fucking salary cap hell of any team if there is a salary cap passed? Would the Mets not be in the worst position with the contracts they have, like Soto's contract and

speaker-2 (1:00:04)

Makes you wonder if Soto's gonna play out all twelve years of that contract or thirteen years, whatever.

speaker-1 (1:00:08)

Nobody's

taking that contract on it. There's salary cap. He's fucking stuck there. And they're stuck under him. Yeah.

speaker-0 (1:00:15)

Alright, we gotta wrap this up and move into our final segment, the snake draft. Best World Series snake draft. We're gonna go rapid fire here. We only have a few minutes. Um I won the greatest postseason walk-off snake draft. Um John finished last, so he is going to take the number one spot. Caleb is gonna be second, and I will be third. John, who is the number one pick? Sorry, I'm gonna hiccup.

speaker-1 (1:00:42)

I'm gonna take two thousand eleven Cardinals over Rangers. The David Freeze series. Um, I mean you got poo holes out there. what a what a series. They some of the best calls in modern era. so yeah, give me two thousand eleven.

speaker-0 (1:00:59)

Cable.

speaker-2 (1:01:00)

Um I'm glad you picked that because now I can dunk on your pick by taking basically the David Free series with an iconic game seven. Uh I'd take nineteen ninety one twins over the

speaker-0 (1:01:12)

Damn it. I thought it was gonna slip,

speaker-1 (1:01:14)

To me.

speaker-0 (1:01:15)

you fucking asshole.

speaker-2 (1:01:16)

You got the Kirby Puckett walk-off in game six.

speaker-1 (1:01:18)

Uh

speaker-2 (1:01:20)

Jack Morris throwing ten innings in game seven with the walk-off hit in the bottom of the tenth. I forget the name of the guy with the walk-off, but

speaker-0 (1:01:27)

four walk-offs. Did you say that? Four walk-offs in this one. Total

speaker-2 (1:01:32)

I did not say that, but

speaker-0 (1:01:33)

series, there was four walk I'm gonna help you. There was four walk-offs. Um there were five one run games, three of them went into extras. Um and they both in the previous season they were both in last place in nineteen ninety. Both of those teams. So

speaker-2 (1:01:49)

That's how you start to react after I said that's how you start to react after I said David Freeze, but actually had a game seven.

speaker-1 (1:01:57)

It was a great series. I wasn't alive yet.

speaker-0 (1:02:00)

Whoa. Okay. Well uh for some reason we changed our clothes. Um with the third pick in the draft, I'm gonna take the nineteen seventy-five World Series. Um, the big red machine, Carlton Fisk, uh some stats on this one. There were five one run games in this one. Two of them went into extras. Boston went up three nothing in game seven until Tony Perez hit a home run. and then in the top of the ninth, Joe Morgan.

hit a go ahead two RBI or an go ahead RBI single with two outs, um, to go ahead and then win the World Series. But the Red Sox did have the bottom of the ninth to figure it out, but they s of course didn't 'cause they were cursed at the time.

speaker-2 (1:02:43)

Give some love to Louis Tian. Louis Tian threw I believe three complete games in that series.

speaker-1 (1:02:49)

Is he the one who bit peep bit someone on the butt at a bar?

You know that story? there was a red spider that got in trouble for biting someone on the butt at a

speaker-2 (1:02:57)

Louis Tian was on the Red Sox.

speaker-1 (1:02:59)

okay. Hold on.

speaker-0 (1:03:00)

Yeah, I don't have that answer for you.

speaker-1 (1:03:02)

Bit ya Jesus.

speaker-0 (1:03:04)

Right. Um, and then I'm gonna go with uh I'm gonna go with nineteen eighty six as well. Um Thank you. A very good series. I'm fine with leaving it to Caleb. Um Caleb's probably gonna take one that's like super fucking old. No, you're not gonna take the remote.

speaker-2 (1:03:22)

I am not.

speaker-1 (1:03:23)

Just take

speaker-0 (1:03:24)

I just took nineteen eighty six. Okay. They actually the Red Sox were actually coming off a miracle against the California A's. Um and then obviously Buckner. Um Red Sox were up three nothing in game six and then they blew the lead. Um they were up five to three in the bottom of the tenth. Uh five to four and Bob Stanley threw a wild pitch to Mookie Wilson to tie their game, and then Mookie Wilson hit the grounder. Um and in game seven the Red Sox were up three to two in the bottom of the eighth as well.

So a lot of blown leads from the Red Sox in that one. Um I'm fine taking nineteen eighty six. I might just take all Red Sox World Series and I'm perfectly fine with that. Some of them sucked. They they sucked. Some of the other Red Sox ones sucked, but I'm fine.

speaker-2 (1:04:07)

Just like to take when they lose, apparently, I guess. Uh would like to add from the 75 series, Louis Tian through 25 innings in three games. With two complete games. So so two nine inning games and then a seven. Only seven.

speaker-1 (1:04:24)

There's someone out there who's complaining right now, they don't they don't even throw four innings anymore in the World Series.

speaker-0 (1:04:31)

Mm.

speaker-2 (1:04:32)

I am so glad w that Alex left me with one of my top three. Um give me two thousand one Diamondbacks Yankees.

speaker-0 (1:04:42)

That was obviously that was on my list as well.

speaker-2 (1:04:45)

That was

the postseason of the Mr. November as much as I hate Jeter. Some iconic moments in that series. And um capped it off with Luis Gonzalez hitting the walk-off single off Mariano and Randy Johnson coming out of the pen. So that was an easy easy second round pick.

speaker-1 (1:05:04)

Or I'm gonna be a bitch. I'm going twenty twenty five.

speaker-0 (1:05:07)

I that was a great series. I don't think that's a bit amazing

speaker-1 (1:05:11)

Game

three. Yamamoto, best, probably best individual pitching performance since Madison Baumgarner um in the postseason. And man, the Blue Jays almost got it done. And I think it set up an amazing Milwaukee run this year. I think that sort of the the feeling of okay, the Dodgers can be taken down in the playoffs. The Blue Jays almost did it. I think a lot of teams looked at that and sort of fueled them for this run.

I think it was amazing.

speaker-0 (1:05:41)

I mean the ball getting stuck at the bottom of the wall. It just i like improbable things happened in that series. So that's a great series. That's not a bitch.

speaker-2 (1:05:51)

Miguel

Rojas had what, one home run that year?

speaker-1 (1:05:54)

Yeah. There you go.

speaker-0 (1:05:56)

Is he is he on a roster anymore? oh he retired, he retired, yeah.

speaker-2 (1:05:59)

No, he No He announced his retirement this year.

speaker-0 (1:06:04)

I remember I just remember seeing somebody like post a video of him wearing a ring and they were upset that he was wearing the World Series ring this year for some reason. I don't know why. They're like you're not even playing.

speaker-2 (1:06:17)

He retired and then Peyton Tolley and him were the World Series correspondents.

speaker-0 (1:06:21)

Yeah, and they were upset that he was wearing the ring at

speaker-1 (1:06:25)

Thanks.

speaker-0 (1:06:25)

like at this year's World Series. I don't know why he would be. I mean World Series champion forever. Flags fly forever.

speaker-1 (1:06:32)

Um, I will take twenty six team. Cubs over Guardians. Break the Cubs Curse. That was a great series. Game seven was wild. The rain delay, the back and forth. Um, overall just two teams that haven't won in a long time, battling it out. I was rooting for Cleveland, personally, but uh our good friend Serafino, shout out. Big year for the Cubs.

speaker-0 (1:06:56)

Shout out Serafino.

speaker-1 (1:06:58)

He's awesome.

All right.

Cale, that's you, big guy.

speaker-2 (1:07:01)

I know. I'm trying to see the exact stats on this series.

Because for the historical value, I'm gonna take the nineteen nineteen World Series.

speaker-0 (1:07:13)

nineteen ninety.

speaker-2 (1:07:14)

Nineteen nineteen. When

speaker-1 (1:07:16)

The buck.

speaker-2 (1:07:17)

the yep, Cincinnati Reds won in eight games over the Chicago White Sox.

speaker-1 (1:07:26)

it was a nine game series.

speaker-2 (1:07:27)

It was back when it was a nine game series.

speaker-0 (1:07:30)

It's just bat like baseball back then is so funny.

speaker-1 (1:07:33)

Were they still throwing underhand and if you if you struck someone out you would be like hung?

speaker-2 (1:07:39)

Honestly, it's an incredible scheme that was put on by the the betters on the White Sox or I guess against the White Sox. It's a it w it was a nine game series. The White Sox outside of one player were trying to lose and they still

speaker-1 (1:07:55)

That one player was so fucking good. He was so good. He also always wore

speaker-2 (1:08:01)

Incredible war is crazy.

speaker-0 (1:08:03)

Why is he

speaker-1 (1:08:05)

Always

wore because he he showed up one day and he had like he had an issue with his cleats. So like while he was waiting for them to find him new shoes, he like warmed up without shoes on or something. They're like, it's shoeless Joe.

speaker-2 (1:08:18)

That was in like the That

was in like the minor leagues too.

speaker-1 (1:08:22)

Yeah, and he had an I feel like motion.

speaker-0 (1:08:23)

Shoe

wear he's the most shoe wearing guy ever.

speaker-1 (1:08:26)

Yeah

dude, I never I personally I never saw him without shoes on. Uh but from what I read he had an IQ of like four and they c he couldn't understand why these guys kept giving him money. He's like, Maybe it's 'cause I'm playing so well. He's just an idiot.

speaker-0 (1:08:42)

Like thank you. Thank you. I'm trying my best here.

speaker-1 (1:08:46)

Well well, I'm gonna buy more shoes. Nobody wears more shoes.

speaker-0 (1:08:49)

Nobody wore more shoes than Shoeless Joe Jackson. That guy loves shoes.

speaker-1 (1:08:54)

Oh.

It's like when you call a fat guy slim, you know? It's like it just got lost in translation.

speaker-0 (1:09:01)

Oh, okay. Um I'm gonna go with uh I I have back to back, so it doesn't really matter the order, but I'm gonna take nineteen sixty. Um Great Bill Mazarowski. one of the greatest game sevens of all time, if not the greatest. It's again, it's like those old ones, it's kinda hard to tell. Um if it's like really that good compared to 'cause you can't compare it to like to you were there.

speaker-1 (1:09:27)

I was there. It was the greatest game ever played. Some say.

speaker-0 (1:09:31)

Some say? Do you say?

speaker-1 (1:09:32)

Something

said, it's me. I say it's the greatest game ever played.

speaker-0 (1:09:35)

Do you say?

speaker-1 (1:09:36)

I coin that phrase, yeah. Bel Mazarowski's game seven, greatest game ever played.

speaker-0 (1:09:40)

Okay. All right. Heard it here first on this podcast.

speaker-1 (1:09:43)

Walking

out of the stadium and there was a reporter and he said, How was the game? I was like, It some say it's the greatest game ever played. And it was printed, All Me baby. Yeah.

speaker-0 (1:09:53)

Metal.

I was at this one. The nineteen twenty four World Series, the Senators over the Giants. Um there is like a crazy sequence in uh what game was that?

I I wrote down like this one specifically. I had a ton of notes. Um

Why I can't find where this one is. Uh basically in the eighth inning of I think it was game seven. the Senators scored two in the bottom of the eighth to tie it. Giants then get a one-out triple. Oh, so this is like the end of the game. Get a one-out triple in the top of the ninth. Can't get them home. Senators put runners on the corners with one out in the bottom of the ninth and couldn't score. Giants and strand a leadoff walk in the top of the tenth. Giants strand two in the top of the 11. Senators strand two in the bottom of the 11th.

Giants strand the leadoff single in the top of the twelfth with Walter Johnson pitching his fourth inning of emergency relief. And then the Senators score two after two or score after two errors in the bottom of the twelfth. Um nineteen twenty four. I was there. It was pretty fucking insane.

Caleb.

speaker-2 (1:11:00)

Yeah, I just snagged the greatest value pick of this draft. Um, I'll take the nineteen seventy-nine World Series where Pirates took it in seven games over the Orioles. Um the Orioles blew a three one lead. That's pretty much all you can say. Uh

speaker-1 (1:11:19)

Like Steph Curry.

speaker-2 (1:11:20)

Kenta Colve took the loss in game four to put him down one to three and then got the save in game six and game seven.

Louis Stud and uh my old pitching coach Don Robinson got the winning game too.

speaker-1 (1:11:34)

Congratulations, Don. All right.

speaker-2 (1:11:35)

Good job.

speaker-1 (1:11:37)

I'm

speaker-0 (1:11:36)

Can go.

speaker-1 (1:11:37)

sticking with the theme of World Series that I was alive for. uh I'm taking 2002. 2002. No, 2015 wasn't a good World Series. The Royals fucking put Beltas. um 2002, Barry Bond's at the absolute height of his powers. Caleb, I'm going to hit you with a little trivia question. 1294. What was that Barry Bond's stat?

One point two nine four.

speaker-2 (1:12:06)

His OPS in two thousand two.

speaker-1 (1:12:09)

Bullshit. That was his slugging percentage in the World Series. His slugging percentage was better than most people's OPS. his OPS in that series was 1.994. Four home runs, 13 walks. He went eight for 17 in that series. And Big Daddy Troy and the Rally Monkey beat him in game seven. So for that purpose alone, outstanding World Series.

Also the first World Series I remember that I was like really fucking into. 'Cause I was ten years old. I had a little rally monkey um that I kept in my room, wasn't even an Angels fan, just loved the aura of that Angels team. So I get one more, don't I?

Um let your boy take 2014, the Madison Bumgarner series. Very good. Um I know people say, what do you wonder what you feel like when you die? Well, to me, it's the feeling of the bullpen door swinging open and Madison Bumgarner walking out in game seven. And it was probably the worst feeling of my life. Me and my dad were in our living room and just

speaker-0 (1:13:18)

Oh

fuck you. Yeah, it feels like the the Undertaker. Not like the wrestler, like the actual Undertaker in like France when the guillotine is ready and you're just like you're about to put your head through the hole with a guillotine. I'm

speaker-1 (1:13:34)

Yeah. Yeah. It was it felt like.

speaker-0 (1:13:36)

glad I haven't had to feel that feeling, Caleb. Have we ever had to feel that feeling?

speaker-1 (1:13:40)

Came within ninety feet.

speaker-2 (1:13:42)

Not my lifetime.

speaker-0 (1:13:43)

Not in my lifetime either.

speaker-1 (1:13:44)

It was

brutal. But we came back the next year and won it, and for that reason alone, I am willing to take the twenty fourteen World Series for what it is, a fucking great series.

speaker-0 (1:13:53)

Well, it did fuel twenty fifteen. It fueled the greatest year of your life. Yeah. They were on a a they were on a tear. Like they that was clear motivation. That team was I don't think anyone thought anyone else could have done anything again. Like twenty fifteen it was

speaker-1 (1:14:07)

I knew where he went. I knew where he went

playoffs. Yeah. It was the Royals year.

speaker-0 (1:14:13)

Okay.

speaker-1 (1:14:14)

Such great memories.

speaker-2 (1:14:15)

I'll get biased for my last pick. Um, I'll hop in John's time machine and go a year in the past. We'll take the twenty thirteen

speaker-1 (1:14:25)

Not-

speaker-0 (1:14:26)

Damn it, Caleb! Fuck you! That was gonna be mine! God damn it! I fucking hate you, dude. Koji's pickoff in game four, the obstruction in game three.

speaker-2 (1:14:38)

Even know if this is on my list, but honestly, an incredible series. You had game three, I think it was, end in the in the runners' interference with Will Middlebrooks and and Alan Craig.

speaker-1 (1:14:53)

So

speaker-2 (1:14:53)

And Cody picks a guy off in game four. David Ortiz likes 688 in series, just completely dominates the series. It might not be a top world series of all time, but it was fun for me and.

Sometimes shit happened.

speaker-1 (1:15:09)

No.

speaker-0 (1:15:10)

Yeah, David Ortiz was walked did you say he was walked four times in game six? He

speaker-2 (1:15:15)

Yeah.

speaker-0 (1:15:15)

was walked he was walked four times in game six.

speaker-2 (1:15:18)

I know we had six eighty eight though.

speaker-0 (1:15:20)

He was walked four times. Um and obviously bot the Boston strong, like the entire team just being fueled by the marathon.

speaker-2 (1:15:28)

Johnny Gomes Homer in game five.

speaker-1 (1:15:30)

Yep. Oh Johnny Gomes played in a fucking lot of World Series somehow. Wasn't he on like an Atlanta team, the Royals team and the Red Sox team within like four years of each other?

speaker-2 (1:15:40)

I think

he was on the Rays in eight.

speaker-1 (1:15:42)

He was and he was a royal in either fourteen or fifteen because he did he never he didn't play in the series, but he was on the roster.

speaker-0 (1:15:49)

I do not condone this and I was disgusted by the person that did it. But I was at a game in twenty thirteen in at the drop and a Rays fan was heckling Johnny Gomes about him having to take heart medication. Cause he had like a heart condition and he had to take heart medication. Which I was like, that is like the it's just like not a good heckle, first off. It's a Tampa Bay Rays heckle. 'Cause they know that they are so behind us as a franchise that they just have to fuck it.

Make fun of a horror.

Like fu really fucked up. Um all right, I have Mr. Irrelevant.

speaker-2 (1:16:25)

Adds

I hope he has some chirps for Juan of Franco.

speaker-0 (1:16:28)

no, I guarantee you that person did. I guarantee you he was mad. He was like, fuck man, I wish we could have kept that guy.

speaker-1 (1:16:35)

Poor.

speaker-2 (1:16:37)

When she was still in the theme, brother.

speaker-0 (1:16:38)

The

justice system

speaker-1 (1:16:39)

What is a pen? People can change

speaker-0 (1:16:44)

All right, Mr. Irrelevant, I'm gonna take 2019, Howie Kendrick, um, the Nationals. I mean the the perfect thing, um, Bryce Harper not being on the team. Was it that year that he said I'm gonna bring a World Series to Washington while he was in Philly? Yeah. Um, young Juan Soto. Felt like that team was gonna just be there forever, but clearly they weren't. And then that was like the last real baseball we had before COVID as well. So some good memories.

speaker-1 (1:17:13)

Poor

Anthony Rendon decided he was fucking done.

speaker-0 (1:17:16)

Yeah, he was just done.

speaker-2 (1:17:19)

Steam is Strasbourg, but

speaker-1 (1:17:21)

Yeah, you don't talk shit about Steven Strasbourg.

speaker-2 (1:17:23)

That yeah, that wasn't voluntary.

speaker-1 (1:17:25)

San Diego Aztecs.

speaker-0 (1:17:27)

Engineed?

All right. Uh John has 2011, 2025, 2016, 2002, and 2014. Caleb, 1991, 2001, 1919, 1979, and 2013. Alex, 1975, 1986, 1960, 1924, and 2019. It's gonna be a good spot for us to wrap it up. Make sure to like, comment, subscribe at chaoticallyintolerant.com. You can go vote at chaoticallyintolerant.com.

Go check out John at Spring Hill Sports Cards. Um, go check out Caleb in any random Instagram comment section arguing with people. Um

speaker-1 (1:18:06)

After about ten PM.

speaker-0 (1:18:08)

Yeah, after about ten PM when he's got a few beers in him. Thank you all for watching and we will see you guys next week.