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All right. It's Super Bowl week. Welcome back episode, I think two 30 or two 33, a chaotic clean and tolerant. Um, some changes to the website. Go check out the chaotic clean and tolerant.com. We just have some new, new features, some, uh, different stuff reorganized. Um, go check out draft America. We have Mike here in person. Um, and go check out spring Hill sports cards. They're getting ready for baseball season. We will be big in baseball season. Um, we have some cool content ideas. I think we're going to do all time rosters for each.

team leading up to it, hopefully if I have the time. But yeah, go check that out, chaoticlandtolerant.com. All that's there and let's go.

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All right, Mike. So Super Bowl week. It's where it's actually pro bowl night. Doesn't make any sense.

God. cause I grew up when the Pro Bowl was a game. It an actual game and they played it. It was a great sunset to the season and just, loved watching Hawaii. They had all the shots of Hawaii. There was a lot of tradition in the Pro Bowl too. mean, people forget there was, you know, they did like.

the lays and they did all the, the, all this fancy pregame stuff and they would introduce the Superbowl winners last because the Superbowl had just had been played before the Pro Bowl. So they would, they would do like an intro for them and, the coaches would wear, there's a, there's a great shot on Twitter of Andy Reed and his Hawaiian shirt shorts on the side. Where, yeah, if it wasn't like four degrees in Kansas city. and it makes me really sad. I went to the first Pro Bowl that was played.

on the mainland in nine, 10 in Miami. And God, I gotta tell you, it was like a rainy Sunday night, Saturday, Sunday night. It was depressing. It was, the crowd had no idea how to react to it because it wasn't a cultural thing. Like in Hawaii, that was part of the, you know, that was like the one thing a year that the fans, they're going to get excited for. didn't know how to act. So, but if you want to go watch and play dodge ball and flag football and jump in a ball pit, I don't I'm not watching it.

Yeah, I think, yeah, I mean, it's just getting a non mainland state involved is important. Like Hawaii has been the football for Hawaii is like Hawaii University. And that's it. They get like the late 11 o'clock Friday night game. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. Like, don't really think who's the quarterback that was there a little while ago.

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Timmy Chang, we're going way back.

Mid-2000s. Yeah Was that him? Timmy Chang? Yeah. That whom I'm thinking of? Yeah, I mean they've had a few cultural icons over there in the football world But besides that it was the Pro Bowl like that's just what you thought of and the I mean the uniforms they had some Fantastic when they wore the AFC NFC uniforms I remember when they went to the neon when Andrew with Andrew Luck as the starting quarterback that was like 2012 or That was fucking weird really bizarre

Yeah, that was because they brought it down.

That was.

That was when they did the draft. It was like team Sanders against team Irvin or team Rice or whatever. two of the best Pro Bowls I ever watched 2003 season. So 2004 NFC came back from 25 points down. won 55 to 52. Mike Vanderjat missed the field goal. Of AFC in that game. The next game he played the next game the NFL played was the opening night of the following season. He missed a field goal that would have tied the game against the Patriots. Remember his last kick in Indy. And then the other best one I watched was

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Of course.

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the famous clip of Sean Taylor lighting up Brian Mormon and that came down to a last second field goal. Belichick was coaching for the AFC because that was he had lost to the Colts in that AFC Championship game that year. So it's Belichick against Sean Payton which is a great you know great coaching matchup. But yeah I encourage like if you're a big football nerd of course you're waste time if you're not go back and watch one of those probably it was fun you'll

feel like you were in it, you know? You'd hear all the players and it would kind of just take you through the whole season leading up to it. was great.

Yeah. Well, you mentioned Bill Belichick. We have to talk about it. Do we? It's necessary. I think it is necessary as a football podcast. mean, first off, I actually think this is really harmful in general. And you can say what you want about how this was, there's other guys that deserve to get in, blah, blah, blah. We are in an age where the media is not trusted.

I mention it.

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It's true, you know, mean, we're not getting political here, but it's true. No one, don't think anyone trusts the media right now, whether you're on the left or the right side of the aisle. And sports media is media. They are considered media. These people are considered journalists. A lot of these Hall of Fame voters are journalists. And the fact that they went out and some of them use their personal biases against Bill Belichick and they use their personal biases to gauge

A hall of fame, which should be as much of an objective vote as you can get you base it on achievements, based it on statistics. they use their personal bias and they kept out probably one of the top three coach of all time. Let's say that top three, just, just to avoid the debate because people are going to say he's not taught. He's not number one because of Brady, blah, blah, blah. don't care. He's one of the, he is the most successful head coach winning his head coach in NFL history. And he was not in the hall of fame.

on the first ballot. Why would the world trust the Hall of Fame? Right. And some of these are journalists who were just upset like that he that he's dating a 24 year old woman. Some of them were upset about Spygate and the of flake gate, which I think there is validity there. But look at all of the other Superbowl season one. He was a part of eight Superbowl winning teams. You can even go back as he was a great defensive coordinator for the Giants. I mean, you could make a case just based on the first

first half of his coaching career that he is more than enough to become a Hall of Famer and he was kept out because of personal bias. And I think that is actually really damaging in the public eye of media and journalism in general. Some of these people are also, you know, NFL executives like Bill Polian voting. Bill Polian reportedly voted for Bill Belichick to be in the Hall of Fame. That was released. So say what you want about Bill Polian. He's, you know, lost four straight Super Bowls, but

He voted for Bill Belichick. So those were his teams.

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The Bills teams. Yeah, but he built those teams. or was that post-ball?

He won the Colts suit. was a pollie in that year. They let him go the Manning year. It was 11 or 12. Like before 12 or maybe it was like right before 11. I can't remember.

Probably the same media that told you that Ohtani was on the plane to Toronto. Remember that, right? Yeah. To me, it's like the equivalent of you text a friend or something and they say, well, I didn't get back to you for six days because I was busy. It's like, you could have voted Belichick in the Hall of Fame. Any other logic that you want to feed doesn't fly. is it the Jordan Hudson, the girlfriend? it, well, Brady's won a Super Bowl without him, and now Kraft might win one without him?

There's no argument you can feed that winning six Super Bowls in the salary cap era and basically having two separate dynasties. mean, know, when like Michael Jordan won six, what he basically. He was. Retired, know, whatever it was. Yeah, you could say, you know, what does that mean that Phil Jackson is not a Hall of Fame coach because Phil Jackson and then he went like.

He did three and three. did this because he actually retired. Yeah. Suspended. He's playing baseball.

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Five more with the Lakers. How many championships did Phil Jacks? He went 11. I don't know what we're just talking about that. I go off topic, but.

LeBron by the way is staying, will play with the Lakers to the end of the season. So there were some people were questioning. mean, he's literally practicing his golf swing on the court pregame. He's the most retired man I've ever seen.

Well, he may also not be a first ballot Hall of Famer at this point if he shanks too many shots off the tee. yeah, it's a terrible look. It's a terrible look. I think it was like the sharks were circling on Belichick as soon as he left the Patriots. I think it was kind of a...

13 time NBA champion, two as a player, 11 as a head coach.

probably also didn't get into the Hall of Fame.

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Yeah. Jordan and Kobe carried them.

Sure, I mean at some point, Coach's gotta have something to do with that, I would hope. And I think the Sharks were circling on Belichick as soon as he left New England. I think a lot of voters probably, or fans, or whatever, media, it was like a Schadenfreude thing, that after all the success Brady leaves, and this is the time to really drive the steak through the heart, or whatever. And I just feel like,

It's such a bad look and it paints Belichick in such a negative light because, we love to hate him. the hoodie wearing. He's the, yeah, talks like this in the media, right? But really, I'm sorry, I'm gonna say one other thing, because I was listening to, Eisen was talking about this. And you know what I love that he brought up? If you remember in 2019, they did the NFL 100 celebration and they had this gigantic, it was just a who's who. No, Bill was there.

And Bill wasn't there. He was.

And what Rich was saying was that he just saw Belichick glowing, studying the busts, and you know, the Hall of Fame busts, just, there's nobody who's more invested in the history of the game, too. Not just, he's a coach, this is his job, and he won six Super Bowls. mean, he, the guy is so ingrained, he ingrains himself in history, and he just loves everything about.

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the game of football. And I think Eisen's point was just that, when you really think about that and Belichick's love for the game and association of the game, just makes it that much worse.

Yeah. And obviously there was the other reasoning as to why they wouldn't vote him in was due to his coldness to the media and his career. But you know what? Boo fucking who? I'm sorry. Boo who?

Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison barely ever talked to me.

I mean, there's plenty of guys, Marshawn Lynch. You know, he has one of the most famous quotes of all time. I'm just here so I don't get fined. Yeah. But I mean, are we really just going to sit here and let the personal biases and these, I mean, it's, it's, it's just another example of especially the media, but like these legacy, just old people being grumpy and mean and wanting to ruin

That's right.

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And I'm thankful. Say that one. Thankful.

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I think that that's a that's an example that is an example and obviously is a young person like someone here that say that's stupid but they they are upset there there but her a lot of a mark there but heard about him being mean to the media during his time but again boohoo like he's there to win he's there to win and he's got plenty of other players on the Patriots are people on the Patriots gave them plenty of other quotes and plenty of other stories so you think like bill Belichick he can

be quiet and be a coach. That's what he wanted. And if anything, I think that's Hall of Fame worthy. He just wanted to be a coach. He didn't give a shit about the media. He cared about the football. And this is a coach man who has hated Bill Belichick my entire life. I never thought in my entire life I would ever grandstand for Bill Belichick, but here I am. I'm grandstanding for Bill Belichick and I'm sure a lot of people, like this is a pretty well shared opinion that he should have gotten it. There's no reason he shouldn't have.

Right, you know Bobby, my good friend, friend of the program, he made a good point. I remember we were talking about Belichick a while ago. Belichick is actually extremely kind and gracious to the media members who have been there a long time who he respects. We were watching him like do the NFL film stuff with Steve Sable with some of the ho- he loves Chris Berman. Who doesn't? Chris Berman, I know that's the-

I mean...

different than sort of like the reporters who ask him questions. But I think there's, he has actually great respect for certain journalists who he trusts. It's the ones who ask him the same questions about, we making a change at quarterback? This was in 2014, like it pisses him off. It did. you're right. Time to him. Yeah.

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It's waste of time to him. So it's ridiculous. It's stupid. We covered it because we felt like we have to, but yeah, just not good. And again, speaking of Bill Belichick, and I guess maybe we can talk a little AFC, NFC championship, because we did mention Sean Payton, well, the fourth down.

yeah, so we didn't actually.

We didn't do a show for post-AFC championships.

I've been talking about this with my friends, the fourth down, because you know I texted you as soon as, I think as soon as it happened, right? Patriots by three. Yeah. Because it was three weeks in a row that the Jaguars did it. They lost by three. They went for it on fourth down when they were up seven three in the second quarter. Ben Johnson, that was probably the most egregious because that was fourth and three at the 20 on the opening drive. Goes for it, incomplete, Bears lose by three.

and then Sean Payton with a backup quarterback. You've got momentum. You got a chance to get a 10-0 lead. Well, Sean Payton maybe is not a weatherman. Didn't know it was going to snow, but just made it look down.

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It didn't snow until the fourth quarter. That's the thing. That's what I'm getting sick and tired of hearing people talking about. We, mean, first off, Kurt Warner believes that every single game should be played in a dome. Have you heard that day? He taught, he's talked about it extensively. He thinks every single team should play in a dome. Shocking that nobody should be in a dome. I really don't, I don't believe anyone should be. I think it's a disadvantage.

No I have no-

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No one should play in a-

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The Arena League, where Warner was playing, may be fine.

Yeah, Arena League starting up soon, guess. I'm excited for that. I'll watch Arena League football. love the Arena League. But no, I mean, I think it's just it's a weak take. even if you want to have that discussion of like we need domes because of the snow in this AFC title game. It snowed in the like late in the third and into the fourth throughout the watch. It was a dump and.

There were what a combined 14 points scored in the first three and whatever quarters or two and two and like three quarters quarters. Yeah. Like there was, there was no points anyways. It was a defensive battle between two good defensive teams. Yeah. And you had Jared Stidham, who was a backup quarterback who was not prepared, you know, not really prepared to come in. hadn't played a snap since 2023 or 2024 and

And Drake May, I mean, you have a young quarterback against probably the best defense in the league. So on the road. this isn't like, it's not, it's not an indoor and outdoor thing. This is just, it was a defensive battle. That's all it was. And I'm sick of people framing it as, like this weather battle.

No, it didn't start snowing until late in the game. I thought Stidham looked comfortable early at the deep shot. Who was that? it Sutton? It was Mims and then had the touchdown of Sutton. He had rhythm and they get that fourth down. And did they get in your head when it's like third and eight, third and five? You're like, work nowadays, the worst thing as a fan is to get life.

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fourth and two.

fourth and two because the fear is always, oh my God, the coach is going to go for it. I don't know what the, why the analytics seem to say that fourth and one is a sure shot. Cause it seems sure as hell, it's easier to convert like a fourth and five when you have more room. And when you cram it in there and it's fourth and one, and you got to make that play, there's something that I think it's a, it's an advantage for the defense. It certainly seemed that way. I thought it was a stupid.

decision I thought I think karma I've been saying this karma is undefeated in the in the NFL playoffs at least and Sean Payton probably thought I'm Sean Payton it doesn't matter yeah go up 14 nothing on these guys they ain't got no shot I just I was so upset that that ended up becoming true I was texting everyone because I was like please really I'm thinking please don't let this happen again like let this just be a footnote in the game

Take the points, I think it was Bill Cower, who was talking, someone was talking on the pregame on CBS, said, if you get into that situation, this is the game where you take the points. It'd be ironic if it was Bill Cower, because if anyone remembers the 04 AFC Championship game, New England was up 31-17, Pittsburgh had fourth and goal to two with about 11 minutes left, and kicked the field goal, and they get 31-20 and they lost by 14. That's a little bit of the other extreme, but yeah, it's too bad. And New England, mean, God.

We can sit here and say they've had an impressive run. They beat the first, the second, the fifth ranked defense of the playoffs. But then I'm like, they beat Broncos without Bo'nicks. They beat the Texans without Nico Collins, right? And I was thinking about the Ravens game. They're 10 and 0 on the road. That was the game. The Ravens had them on the ropes. And Lamar Jackson gets hurt. So we forget that they played a backup quarterback in that game, too. And it's like, is this just going go all the way through the soup? Is this going to be like the Chiefs last year? Although they got exposed in the soup also. We'll see.

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see.

I think we do this with teams where we just overanalyze the matchups. There's a reason these teams were in the playoffs. It doesn't matter. These defenses carried those teams to the play. I mean, you talk about the Texans, they've been a struggling offense. Look at the Chargers. mean, the offense has been a little, you know, they've been better, but I mean, it's still been the defense and then the Broncos have been defined by the defense. I mean, it's the mile, you know, they're mile high and Bo Nicks, obviously they've been able to put up points. I'm not saying they were slouches on offense by any means.

But there is just it's playoff football. You need to win the game. That's it You don't care about who you're playing you need to win the game and then you get Super Bowl Sunday where it is any given Sunday It is one game. It does not matter who you played up into this. It is one single game. So It really doesn't matter the the defense has been playing pretty damn good I would say in New England and that's how you playoff football games but that that's

And we can talk about like the Super Bowl as like a game. It's just. Super Bowl is kind of a bummer, man. Like the conference title games are so exciting because it's like you're going you're in the stadiums. You're in like these stadiums that are rocking and then you know you have the Super Bowl that's just so corporate. And obviously the game we've had some really good Super Bowls in the last five, six years and those are great games to watch. But it is like.

It almost is, it's underwhelming. The buildup, the buildup has been so much that it is underwhelming.

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next week.

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Well, it's the extra week off too, you know, because he runs out of sight out of mind. Literally no football at all for two weeks. Not like, your team's on a bye, but everyone else is playing. No, it's like, you know, I think it...

We need the game for the first pick. We need the game for the first pick. They need to throw in the game for the first pick. Give us the shit bowl.

They need to go back to just playing it the week after. They did that. Peyton Manning said he's not a fan of it. I think a lot of players feel like when you get to this point, you probably do need a week off. I understand that, but God, from a fan perspective, what do you do with that extra week? It just takes...

I the extra week is important. think I'm fine with the extra week. I think there's a way, I mean, just play a Pro Bowl game. I don't know. Give us the bowl for the number one pick. I think that's a reasonable take. Like if you want to better your team, these guys want to better their team. Or I don't know, like no one really cares about the senior bowl, I guess. If there was a Pro Bowl for college, but no one would play in it.

I mean half of them don't even play in the bowl games. Right. It doesn't even matter. Or just put the national championship now.

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Yeah, actually that's not a bad idea. You would think they would take advantage of having the break in the NFL.

Yeah, College Football Playoffs also take forever. I felt like I just kept sitting there like, oh my God, they're still going. We're still like, and I enjoyed the College Football Playoffs. I liked a lot of the games, but I was just too long. Yeah, way too long. But yeah, Super Bowl is a little anticlimactic, I guess, for the buildup. And then the NFC Championship game. I mean, Sam Darnold, great story. Awesome story. he won the game.

Yeah.

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He won them that game and you can say the Seahawks are defined by their defense, but he won them that game. And that was his, that was his moment. He was missing in Minnesota last year where he crumbled in the moment in Minnesota this year. He was like, no, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm, I'm Sam Darnold. I'm going to go out and I'm going to win this ball game. And he did. It was really awesome to see.

Yeah, and he did it against the team that just smothered him, him what, like nine times? Yeah. them to nine points. And I was just gonna say that guy may never be allowed in the city of Seattle again had they lost that game.

And he saved Tariq

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He owes Sam Darnold like a really nice watch.

Ferrari a Ferrari that was bad when I was thinking man, and then they went after him on the next play Yeah, cool burn him but Lucky for him. See I don't want the game But isn't that the mark of a championship team that you were defined all year by your default? I they defined all year by the defense necessarily. They have great defense a good offense, too But in a game where they really couldn't stop the Rams for a good part of me They had a few but but the Rams had a lot of yards Stafford put up

basically the same numbers he's been putting up all year. And the offense found a way when they had to, when they had to put up a big, cause the week before they got 41, but it wasn't a big offensive output. A lot of it was turnovers. They to kick off return for a touchdown. It was, I mean, that was just a combination of everything. But when Seattle needed to win a shootout, just like they did a few weeks ago against the Rams, they did that. When they needed to make really the one big defensive stand in the game on a day when Stafford moved the ball, they did that.

I would say, you know, we had a three point game in the AFC championship game and that was like a dud. We had a four point game in the NFC championship game and I would say that this one was as good as advertised. Yeah. I guess because right, they played a two point game, a one point game and a four point game. And I will argue, and this maybe is a segue into the Super Bowl, but I always like to look at this when I was, and I remember 10 years ago, Denver, Carolina, I was trying to analyze that game and I said, you know what really gives me hope for Denver? And they were like a five and a half point underdog.

They beat two quarterbacks who had to combine six Super Bowl wins to get to that Super Bowl. They weren't going to be intimidated by Cam Newton. Even if the Panthers were 15 and won, Seattle's had a really tough road to get here. Even with one fewer game than the Patriots have played, I'll argue playing two division rivals from the best division in football, two teams that have been to the Super Bowl recently, one that's won a Super Bowl, to win those two games to get to this point is a heck of a lot more impressive than New England even winning three games.

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against a Chargers team with offensive line that's like a piece of paper, a Houston team that was beat up and had CJ Stroud being CJ Stroud and then Jared Stidham. So that, I think you're Seattle, you gotta feel really good about how you got here.

CJ shroud still I still think he's And Houston maybe we'll come to any apples.

I am there.

He just doesn't look like a guy projecting confidence. I to me, I'm looking at his body language as much as I'm looking at his interceptions, his turnovers. To me, he looks like he's playing scared.

Yeah, ever since he did that thing with Caleb Williams. What was that? When they played the Bears last year and they, think the Texans won by a field goal. It's like a last second field goal. He goes up and you know him and Caleb Williams meet in the middle of the field and he goes like, you're gonna be a great one. You're gonna be a great one in this league, bro. Like he did like, you know, he little bro-ed him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Caleb Williams just had this look on his face like, okay. Like, you...

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Think like you know what? Think you're better than me. Like cool. Like you've been in the league one year longer than me. You're not. You're not. Or two years. Maybe two years longer. But yeah. All right. And then I guess a little bit of the Super Bowl but more Super Bowl history. We obviously remember Patriots Seahawks didn't run it at the one yard line. I think it would be poetic either if New England is in that situation or

Sure, yeah.

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You have Seattle in that same situation and this time they run it. That's right. And, they don't get it. And you say, why would you not throw it? You have the best receiver in football.

Yeah.

Those are the two poetic situations.

I was looking this up because we were talking about it before. For some reason, New England and Seattle have had three games, including the Super Bowl, recently that ended on the one yard line. They played an overtime game last year. Cam Newton ran a design quarterback run. People probably forget because it was a sign in a game in 2020. There was nobody in the stands. There was the 2016 revenge game, Gronkowski on the fade.

See how it stopped the Patriots on the one yard line. It the only game Brady lost last year. There was the Super Bowl. They had a one point game. That was the you mad bro game. Richard Sherman, Tom Brady, 24 23. They had a 24 21 game in 08. Apparently they had a 10 to 9 game in 1993. I don't remember that one. But there's something about these teams that

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Was that, was that the Pete Carroll where he, what he trotted them. I think he trotted the Patriots out to kick a game winning extra point. Maybe it was Seattle. Maybe it was a different game. It was when Pete Carroll coached the Patriots.

talking about when they handed it to Vinatieri because the other team didn't come on field. Now that was 98 against the Bills. That was epic. That was just the fuck. Because Wade Phillips was protesting. There was a PI call that set up the test jump. it would have been great if that was the Seahawks. And we could just watch that over and over. And I don't know. So for whatever reason. But you know what I think you were saying this to me is kind of also anticlimactic about this game.

This is the third year in a row that we've had a repeat Super Bowl matchup. It's the 10th one. We've had 60 Super Bowls and we've had 10 matchups that have been played either two or three times. now we've

Let's think about what they are. Alright, Chief Seagulls, Patriots Eagles, this one, is this included? Patriots Seahawks, Chiefs 49ers.

No. Yeah. Yeah.

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We have to the Jeopardy

boy, this is gonna be a long one. Not Patriots, Panthers, not Patriots, Falcons, just gotta think about the Patriots. Steelers, Cowboys?

Yeah. Yep. That's the only one that's been played three times. So, yeah. Super Bowls 10, 13 and 30. Not mistaken.

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Well, you need 10 more seconds and I'm gonna spit them out.

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unthinkable.

It's gotta be like 49ers.

Alright. I'm thinking something of the bills.

Yeah, yeah. Bill, okay, so Bill's Cowboys, that was back to back years. You said, so New England has played four teams twice in the Super Bowl. They the Rams, the Seahawks, the Giants, and the Eagles. Rams. Yeah, you mentioned Chiefs Eagles, Chiefs 49ers, Bengals 49ers. That's the one that was played twice in the 80s. Redskins, Dolphins, Steelers.

That's such a random one.

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Redskins Dolphins, well, 72, that was the 72 Dolphins. Yeah. Redskins Dolphins, Steelers Cowboys. Shoot, now I'm drawing a blank on what this... It'll come back to me. It'll come back to me. I Bill's Cowboys too. think Steelers... Well, Steelers Cowboys was played three times. So I'm trying to think if I actually included that as the 10. Because I looked this up. It'll come back to me. I'll get it. anyway.

See you later.

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I think that's part of the anti-climactic nature of this game is that like, yeah, but we did this rematch. We've seen the color scheme.

We've the colors, seen the logos, the whole thing. yeah, I guess, I don't know. time for a little prediction.

Yeah, I mean, at first I was like, I'm all on Seattle. And then I started seeing all the experts picking Seattle. And I'm like, that scares the out of me. Because they're all picking them like they're a 15 point favorite. They're four and a half point favorite. Right? Is New England going to go, are they going to be the first team to lose six Super Bowls? Seattle going to go one and three in Super Bowls? Is Drake May going to do, is he going to do what Tom Brady did? Is Brady ready to like?

get caught up to by the Patriots, win in their second year, win after a losing season, know, they're gonna win a Super Bowl in San Francisco where he never got to play one, he missed it in 2015, I don't know. I can't pick it based on the game itself, so I just do it based on these crazy numbers. I'm gonna say that New England covers and Seattle wins a close game. I don't know, I really, like that's my early prediction, it could easily change. I'm thinking like,

2320 Seahawks, but man, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Patriots won.

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I think you look to the coaching match up here more than anything. Yeah. This is the ultimate jock versus nerd. Yeah. And the great way like Mike, Mike McDonald, he played the highest level of football he played was high school football. And he had a bad injury in high school and they said he couldn't play anymore. So we went right into coaching like right into high school. He went into coaching. Mike Vrabel, obviously legendary patriot won.

Did he win three with them? Won three Super Bowls with them. He's been through the ringer as a coach. He's, you know, he was in Tennessee. He was in fucking Cleveland last year or two years ago. I can't, I can't remember the years. also quite little tidbit. I think since December 15th, the Patriots have won more games than the Titans have won since they fired Mike Vrabel. Or maybe since the start of December, one or the other, it doesn't matter. It's a crazy stat.

Yeah. I think this is a like Mike Vrabel will step out there and he knows what the players feel. Yeah. He knows that feeling. He knows the nerves. He knows what they're going to do before they even do it because he's done it so much. I think the experience of Mike Vrabel is going to be something that carries the Patriots to a title because I think he is an intelligent coach. I think he knows the game really well and I think

with the Super Bowl and you look at a guy like you look at the Sean McVeigh, Bill Belichick Super Bowl. Sean McVeigh was the young gun who came in and spent, they said he spent like two weeks locked away in his basement, just studying Bill Belichick's defense. And he did it so much that he ruined himself. And he paralyzed himself by paralysis by analysis because Bill Belichick was the experienced old man who was able to just go in there and say,

You're young, I'm old, I know what I'm doing. I've been here before, you haven't been here before. I think this is that Super Bowl for Mike Raible and the Patriots. I think the Pats win by five. I'm gonna go 28-23, Patriots.

speaker-1 (33:11.192)

So close to the last soup bowl. Yeah, I mean, I'm really nervous picking this.

And I think history repeats itself too. Like we've seen it all year. History is like repeated itself.

I mean, it's just like a, it's a cultural thing. don't know. It's just the mental toughness. Um, so it's so crazy because to me, like Seattle looks like the more complete team, but we've seen the Patriots in Superbowls against better teams or even in just in playoff.

We've seen Mike Vrabel in Super Bowls against a much better team.

The play that led to the Tylop pick six that jump-started that Super Bowl, that jump-started the Patriots dynasty. The Patriots weren't better than the Raiders that year when they won the tuck roll game. They weren't better than the Rams. They were a 14-point underdog in that Super Bowl. You could argue they weren't better than the Seahawks the last time they beat them, that Legion of Boom team in 2014. It was close. It was very close. I don't know. You're right. I'm very nervous. That's why I was like the safe thing would be if you're betting.

speaker-1 (34:09.964)

Take the points with New England. Take the points. I had a good streak going. I had nine straight Super Bowls where I got the spread right. I was seven and two. And then last year, I talked about outsmarting yourself, went with the Chiefs, and I should have known everything should have pointed towards the Eagles winning.

But it's Patrick Mahomes, it's the Chiefs. Like it doesn't... All year they had... like... Escaped. so...

Right, right.

Dad. I like the Patriots have kinda done that a little bit.

not quite in the chiefs.

speaker-1 (34:39.949)

A 10 and 0 on the road, that's what scares me.

It feels more like a coaching advantage that pushes them over the edge in those past games where they have escaped death.

Yeah, 10 and 0 on the road. There's only the Giants went 10 and 1 on the road in 2007, that included when they beat, though it didn't include, but it when they beat the Patriots. They won 10 in a row after losing their first game. There's something that's really scary about that. Now Seattle went 8 and 1 on the road. And they're 15 and 2 under Mike McDonald on the So I don't know if you could play that too much.

I feel like my pick's gonna change a few times. I'll go on the record now saying Seattle wins it, but it scares me that everyone's picking them. And I like your analysis, Ravel is just something about how unflappable he is. Really, like he's...

just when you watch the game like he is so energetic. He's calm everywhere. Yeah, like you're he's a stable energy. Yes, like he is there but you know, he's not going to like crumble. You know, he's not the moment just never feels too big for him. Right. Because he's been there. been there many times and Mike, Mike McDonald, like he's a very, very good coach, but he's inexperienced. And a lot of times you see these inexperienced coaches.

speaker-0 (36:00.61)

Go in there and the moment is a little too big and I'm not saying that's going to happen, but I just think Mike Vrabel is more of the stable coach who can, who can settle the team even when they know, Hey, we're outmatched here, but you can say, well, you guys want it more. And I've been here before. It's just, this is just another game. Like, yes, the, the stage, the stakes are elevated to a.

level that the majority of you have never seen like Stefan Diggs who's been in the league for a long time but he's never been in these stakes before but I think he's able to just settle those guys because he knows what it feels like he knows what it feels like to be playing as a 14-point underdog in the Super Bowl and win

And variable, wants it so bad. said he'd cut off his member, the one when he was talking on bussing with the boys a years back. He wants it really, really badly. And it's like, you could also talk about the, the Patriots been lucky. They played a backup quarter. Sometimes that's just an indicator that it's your year. Sometimes you just get those breaks. They've gotten the time.

need it. I need that to happen.

speaker-0 (37:05.94)

And they have gotten a lot of breaks. mean that catch against Houston. The one handed catch in the end zone against Houston. Like that's maybe not a break but that's just that catch does not go your way most of the time. It just the player slips a little bit especially in the snow. I mean you can say that skill yes but like just like the Odell thing. Like the Odell catch was amazing. It was awesome. And obviously there's a lot of skill like Odell had some great hands. But

in that very specific instance, like you do have to be a little lucky to not fall back and maybe the ball hits the ground a little bit and it knocks it out or like the player, the Cowboys player foot just hits the wrong spot and it knocks the football out. Like there's just like certain little things that you can have. I mean, like how the missed field goals in the Denver game, the snow coming in and that somehow helping the Patriots because Denver couldn't find the end zone.

Game game get a couple games against India in the playoffs where the snow just magically showed up at game time. Yeah, yeah. I mean look they beat a backup quarterback this past week. They beat Lamar Jackson. We were talking about that was probably the road game. had the best chance to lose Ravens had him on the ropes. They were up by 11 points. You know, it a hardball special, but they just keep getting away with it. And also doesn't it worry you more that Sam Darnold has not?

had a turnover yet in the playoffs like it's just waiting to have that that like multi turnover game i mean he's played really well and it could be like a flaco kind of run for him too i'm not saying he's just but like i'm like my god sam darnold can he go three postseason

awesome

speaker-0 (38:44.84)

His great grandfather was a Marlboro man. Have you seen that story? No. He's a Marlboro man. Really? Yeah. And he was like, was he a quarterback for USC? They say he was a USC legend. So he's not the Sam Darnold is not the only like USC guy in the family.

All right, yeah, well, Patriots once had a USC quarterback who was Brady's backup, who was on that 017, that was Matt Castle. I don't know why I brought that up. Castle was supposed to be the guy. Just thinking about Matt Castle, I don't know why.

How much did he get from Kansas City for that one year?

Yeah, won, yeah, they right. went to the Ravens clobbered him in 2010, but they won a division. guess you could say he did that, man, you knew that was going to be mistake. You knew that was going to be a mistake. Yeah. And Garoppolo. It would have funny if the Rams made the super bowl, right? Garoppolo against.

Garoppolo, what has he gone to? Seven straight conference title games? His teams?

speaker-1 (39:43.502)

Is that right? Yeah, because he was with the Niners the two years he made it. No, well, you know, he wouldn't have made it in 2020. He on the Niners in 20 and they were like 6 and 10. So he's been to what, 5 now and then probably 6.

Yeah

speaker-0 (39:58.811)

Hold on, let's see. and, well, if you want to talk about conference title games, or Jimmy Garopp.

Well, he's been, yeah, because he was on, I can, I can do the math. He was drafted, I think in 14. So he went to three straight with New England. And then he's been to, let's see, he went to four with San Francisco, five with San Francisco.

Uhhhh

I'm sorry 19, 21, 22, 20. I don't think he was on the 23 team. Is he the Rams? I don't know. He's been to a lot of town for this title.

I have a list too. 14, 15, 16, 19, 21, 22, 25.

speaker-1 (40:46.734)

He's been to seven in 12 seasons. He has two rings, right, I guess from the Patriots.

That's pretty damn good.

speaker-0 (40:56.014)

greatest job in the world is backup quarterback.

That's Yeah. That's the most popular guy in town, just to say. So yeah, I assume it'll be a good... We always say, it'll be a good game. We thought Chief Seagulls be a good game. I'm always good with the Super Bowl blowout. Everyone hates it. That makes me like it. But also, there's no controversy. they should have run this play. They should have done this. Actually, you know, I was planning to do an article on Draft America. It's always just fun. Think about every game that has like a controversial ending, right? Think about the Patriots Seahawks, for example, in the one yard line.

Actually, I'll start, I'll go with the tuck rule, because this game, people don't remember. There were two plays leading up to that, that if those plays get made the way they're supposed to, the tuck rule doesn't exist. The Raiders had a third and one with about two and 20 left and didn't convert. The Raiders, they needed a yard in the snow, they didn't get it. They ended up punting. On the punt, Troy Brown fumbled, the Patriots recovered. Talk about getting a lucky bounce, maybe it's your night.

They recover, Larry Izzo was like Mr. Clutch special teamer. And then the tuck rule happens. The Raiders get a yard, we don't know about the tuck rule. If the Saints pick up a yard against the Vikings, Stephon Day's catch never happens. It was a third and one. I think they ended up kicking a field goal there instead of maybe running out the clock. If Seattle doesn't blow a 10 point lead in the Super Bowl, which at the time was the biggest blown lead in the Super Bowl.

We don't know about Marshawn Lynch the one year I like. My point is like, everyone, it's recency bias. Everyone remembers the one play, right? At least with the Broncos game, they're talking about the Sean Payton fourth one, which is good, because that was much earlier in the game. It wasn't like, my God, stood him through that pick. my God, the Patriots, although I don't think they got that fourth one sneak. I thought he was short. I'm starting to get a little suspicious on that. My point is like, there are, when you're watching these games, there are so many plays.

speaker-1 (42:53.742)

throughout the course of the game. And you need to file them all away, if you're a fan. Because Chief's Eagles, 2022, the holding call at the end, all you heard from Philly was, we got robbed, Bradbury, he wasn't holding. It was like, I don't know, maybe Jalen Hurts shouldn't have just fumbled a handoff and let it get run back for a touchdown. Maybe if that doesn't happen, there is no hold. You know, there's so many plays in a game that you just...

When you're watching these games, you think, it's not a big deal, it's a second quarter. Well, it is a big deal. You better make as many of those plays as you can because you just never know when one is gonna come back as the difference and it's gonna set you up to leave the game in the hands of the officials, which you never wanna do. It's gonna leave you open to making a mistake called the end or fumble on the one or an interception on the one. So, and maybe that's what you were talking about, Mike Frable.

The Patriots are good at making enough of those plays early in the game that when it comes down to those plays late in the game, there was a saying, think it was Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe, he was very facetious, he would call the Patriots' opponents tomato cans, they had the easiest road. But it was something like, stand by the river and wait for the bodies of your enemies to float by. Point being is like, just wait, just stay, even keeled long enough.

for the other team to make a mistake. And that's, think, how the Giants were able to beat the Patriots, because they stayed more even-keeled even than the Patriots did in those games.

I saw someone put out something kind of funny. was like the AFC playoffs has been who can make a mistake first. And the NFC playoffs has been who can beat the other one. Like who can outplay the other one versus the AFC. Everyone's just sitting, waiting. And I felt it felt pretty indicative of these playoffs.

speaker-1 (44:46.114)

So what does that mean for this game then? How would you do you think?

I think it's the better coached team. I really do. think the better coached team, the team with the more even keel who can just settle and be comfortable, I think that's the team that's going to win.

Yeah, I just hope we're not, one side or the other, whoever you're rooting for, I just hope there's not a penalty, a thing.

Yeah, I hope it's not I hope it's not a referee. I hope I hope the referees are not involved.

out

speaker-1 (45:22.092)

no, Sean Smith is doing the game, by the way. It's his first Super Bowl, so congrats to him, because that's a big deal for the refs to get the honor of doing that. but you're right. Or it's Pete Carroll. why'd you throw the ball at the one yard? You're right, but...

I like that stuff more where it comes down to coaching because that's like, it feels a bit more of the like, feels like the strategy and it feels like a part of the game where it's like the refs, it's like, okay, this play was made flag. It's like, this gets called back. This play doesn't count. You just have to act like it doesn't count. And it's like that did, I saw it. I watched it happen in real life. My eyes saw it and I was like, wow, that was an awesome play. And then it got called back.

Yeah.

speaker-0 (46:02.924)

So I would rather see a stupid coaching mistake. I'd rather see a big fumble. I'd rather see a big pick. I would rather see something that is between the players, not between the referees. That's what I care about, even in a close game.

I'll agree with you on that.

Because all of our really the controversy that like pisses people off is the refs. People are up. Seahawks fans are upset at Pete Carroll for not running the ball. People are Falcons fans are upset at Kyle Shanahan and Dan Quinn for, you know, for running like the worst offense ever when you're up 25 points. But there isn't like really, you don't think about the refs with those games. You think about the coaching and you think about the plays that were made by

the players to get there, right? You're not thinking about, cause like the chief's Superbowl, what do I think of when I think of the chief's Superbowl, the Eagles one, think about the Bradbury hold. That's all I think of. And the game winning field goal at the end. like the initial play that I think of when I think of that Superbowl.

because

speaker-1 (47:07.832)

I think of that stupid RPO with Jalen Hurts and Nick Bolton run it back. I was, cause the Eagles were up 10 points at halftime, right? If that doesn't happen, they're up 17. My homes is playing on a bad angle. I'm sorry. The chiefs don't win that game. Tony has the parter. I mean, there's like, it just, I don't, you're right. I don't like it cause the ref shouldn't decide number one, but number two, I hate the idea of great plays or bad plays, whichever side you're on, being forgotten as a result of that. Because even

though there's a controversial call, it's the plays that get the game to the point when the referee call could make the difference. you know, and also remember the, was it Jermaine Kirst, the crazy play that-

That's the best play that will always be forgotten. Like one of the greatest catches in NFL history, or Super Bowl history.

But it was fluky. You could say as a Patriots, like they should have even been on the goal line because Butler should have intercepted that pass instead. I don't know. I haven't been watching as much this week because I kind of can't stand the whole and the stupid opening night thing where they're just palling around on stage. I don't know how much airtime Malcolm Butler is getting this week. He's a is he? Where's

He's the captain. He's the opening captain.

speaker-1 (48:20.78)

Well, Kyle Van Noy is a raven, but he's the one who made the boogeyman shirts, got them made after Sam Darnold.

Well now the Patriots are doing the Warriors thing.

The Warriors, so there hasn't been any ghost stuff mentioned in the Sam Darnold scene ghost.

I really haven't, I've only seen that he's not seeing ghosts anymore. That was the only thing I've seen. I've seen, I saw it once. I'm kind of surprised, especially considering he was playing for the Jets when the ghost thing happened.

23 to nothing, the Jets lost that game. So you want to put all that on the Sanct Arnold?

speaker-0 (48:56.46)

What was the, what did they lose when they did the, what is it, mono? When he got mono. That graphic, remember that one? Do you remember that game?

Well, I, no, I mean, I remember him getting mono.

Because there was a great ESPN put out a graphic that just said out mono.

Yeah. Mano y mano. Yeah. I wonder also if the Zach Charbonneau injury is going to be a factor. mean, you have that having that one two punch at running back versus just Brian Kenneth Walker is really good. I thought he played better than his numbers last Sunday, but those are the smaller things to go into the game. You don't think as much about like injuries are forgotten guys. How's Seattle? How's New England's offensive line going to hold up?

Yeah, it's not gonna get enough time. There's like a part of me that almost feels like either New England's winning a close game or Seattle's gonna blow them out. There's like no in-between. Yeah. I know I picked Seattle to close.

speaker-0 (49:52.87)

Kind of feels like Seattle just like they're not winning this game by three the defense is gonna Claw them if Seattle wins. It's a blowout. Yeah, that's what I think

Yeah, Revenge Super Bowl. Well, it worked last year for Philadelphia. The Pats are 2-0 against the Giants. They're 1-1 against the Rams. But they're 0-2 against the... Sorry, or 2-0 against the Rams, 1-1 against the Seahawks, or against the Eagles, 0-2 against the Giants. So where do they fall here with Seattle? They end up 1-1. They end up with another 2-0. I don't know.

We'll see. We'll see. And then Bill's new head coach, Joe Brady and Mike McCarty. Yeah, yeah, Joe Brady. Who am I thinking of?

No, no.

Bill said...

speaker-0 (50:40.34)

Bills knew they just hired a new head coach today, like five four or five days ago

Hey!

speaker-0 (50:49.4)

Am I crazy? Yeah, Joe Brady. They just promoted him. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I feels like a lateral move. Like you fired the guy you fired Sean McDermott because you were unhappy that he lost the game, but it wasn't his fault. It was a ref's fault. But but Josh Allen was crying and didn't say hi to Terry Pagulo when he walked into the locker room. So he fired Sean McDermott because Sean McDermott made

was Joe.

speaker-1 (50:59.66)

Yeah.

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spot.

speaker-0 (51:18.466)

Josh Allen cry I don't I don't know I that I feel incredibly bad for bills fans because that franchise Like I as a Colts fan I'm like wow the ursays are like really frustrating and Jim ursay was very frustrating his owner towards the end and Carly seems to be doing kind of the same thing But I'm really happy. I don't have Terry Pagula. It really makes me appreciate that. I don't have to deal with that motherfucker

Tom Brady went 31 and 3 against the Bills, so the name in Buffalo is not a beloved name.

For a reason.

speaker-0 (51:50.848)

But Josh Allen apparently picked Joe Brady. said this is the guy I want. So we'll see. Feels very lateral. And then Mike McCarthy in Pittsburgh.

So they're just going to try to find somebody from that hacker Super Bowl.

I yeah, I I was talking with someone about that and they were like Mike McCarthy's a really good coach He's a Super Bowl winning coach. I was like, yeah, I acknowledge that he had like Aaron Rodgers and he Did that in 2010? Yeah, and since then he has been I want to say since maybe was since that Super Bowl win Maybe the last 15 years so that would actually be till that Super Bowl win He's been to one conference title game. They got waxed against Atlanta

No, they went in 2014 and lost to Seattle because they choked away that, speaking of things that could have happened. If had been in that Super Bowl, Brandon Bostic botched the onside kick, Morgan Burnett could have run the interception. Again, we just talk like all these things that, you know, it's like the history. That's why I love the history of the game, because the history is what brings us to the present. But anyway, your point about

Maybe the last 10 years. It's been the last 10.

speaker-0 (52:45.143)

I do actually get it.

speaker-0 (53:02.51)

McCarthy it's been 10 years since he's been to an NFC title game knock 15 That one was against Atlanta. They got waxed. It was like 41 13 and since then it's like maybe they win a wild card game like they beat the box in that wild card game and Brady's last game ever and then they get waxed in the division around like his his game his teams have just They've been very mid. He's a very

He'll win 11 games in the regular season. He's going to get, he's going to do Mike Tom. This is a lateral move.

You know, Tomlin, yeah. That play where Elliot snapped the ball and laughed.

Yeah, against San Francisco. What about against Jordan Love? A seven seeded Jordan Love come into Dallas.

points on Dallas in Dallas. Right. don't know. He goes are sad.

speaker-0 (53:55.65)

He's a very, but he's from Pittsburgh. He's, he was crying. I have to say. Yeah. He, looked very fat at his press conference. He looked so like, I hate to say it. And I think like, you know, like that's part of like the identity of being like a big football guy. looked like a big football guy. Like he was sitting there. His face was all red. He was crying. He was like,

He's from Pittsburgh,

speaker-1 (54:06.072)

Thank you.

Yeah, I mean it's...

speaker-0 (54:23.374)

I get to wear my Steelers gear now, my family gets to wear their Steelers gear! And uh, oh, what did he call- what the fuck did he say? He said some player's name in just the thickest Pittsburgh accent you've ever heard and it was awesome.

the big Pittsburgh accent.

speaker-1 (54:38.498)

They even say clock, clock, clock manager. You know, that Pittsburgh accent. I don't know. I'll say that I'm not worried about it. my God, they got Mike McCarthy.

When I saw that I literally shrugged my shoulders, I was like, yeah, okay. Check the box. Yeah, they hired a guy, I guess. They have a guy to fill the position. But I mean, honestly, he seems like a guy who's really passionate. I hope he succeeds. I really do.

Personally, like Tim, I thought he was pretty good in Green Bay.

He's not a guy that seems like an asshole, like he seems like a nice guy. Yeah.

He's a bit of a no-nonsense guy, which I...

speaker-0 (55:16.172)

Which that's, that's not an, you're not an ass. You're not a Sean Pate, you're not a Sean Pate.

That was the one good thing about Denver losing was with Champa especially with the fourth down thing backfiring. Yeah. Yeah, think McCarthy, think Steelers are always gonna Steelers. They're always gonna find a way to be in the mix. Question is who they gonna have a quarterback when they do it.

Yeah, was this I guess was it a reason to keep to convince Aaron Rodgers to stay there?

don't know if Rogers and McCarthy are exactly...

Yeah, I don't know. I heard some people say the other way. Yeah.

speaker-1 (55:51.796)

I always have the sense that they clashed a little bit. Again, this kind of headstrong personalities. So I'm not sure. Maybe they just feel like McCarthy's always had good success working with quarterbacks in general. Yeah. So, we'll see.

Yeah.

speaker-0 (56:08.366)

Alrighty, well I think we're gonna wrap up there and also congrats to Matt Ryan got the job in Atlanta. That's pretty cool Matt Ryan. Kevin Stefanski though. Kevin Stefanski. So funny. But that was a very Falcon sire.

Yeah

speaker-1 (56:21.678)

He's a good, maybe he'll go, you know, Buster Posey. They're like similar demeanor guys. Posey went back and he's now the, what, team president or whatever with the Giants. Maybe, oh, Matt Ryan does a good job at it.

And we missed a couple other coaching ires,

We already talked about Harvall,

Anyways, thank you all for watching. Make sure to like, comment, subscribe. Happy Super Bowl. Go eat a lot of food. Go check out Spring Hill Sports Cards. Check out Draft America. Look out for that article. And we'll see you next week.