NFL Awards, Conspiracy Theories & Curtis Brown | Episode 140

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Alex Boyajian

2/20/202436 min read

Welcome! Lets explore the world of Chaotically Intolerant, make sure to like, comment, subscribe, share, the whole damn thing @curtispodcastnetwork In this episode, the boys discuss various topics related to the NFL, including the MVP race, conspiracy theories about the league being rigged, midseason awards, and the most disappointing and surprising teams and players of the season. They also share their thoughts on the best and worst coaches of the year. The conversation is filled with humor and banter, making for an entertaining and informative discussion about the NFL. The conversation covers heartbreaking losses, including the Texans Colts game in Week 18. The boys discuss underutilized players and the missed opportunity for the Lions. They also analyze coaching decisions and the importance of the pass rush. The potential of Gardner Minshew and the versatility of Jamal Agnew are highlighted. The conversation touches on comparisons to past teams and Lamar Jackson's playing style. Records and the Offensive and Defensive Rookies of the Year are discussed. NFL Awards, Conspiracy Theories & Curtis Brown | Episode 140 00:00 Chaotically Intolerant NFL Awards 03:21 Midseason Awards 04:14 Comeback Player of the Year 05:03 Most Explosive Player 05:56 Best Coach 06:43 Mike Tomlin and Race 08:10 Biggest Surprise Team 08:49 Biggest Surprise Player 09:37 Most Disappointing Team 10:02 Most Disappointing Player 10:31 Biggest Heartbreaking Loss 11:18 Heartbreaking Loss of the Year 12:44 Most Underutilized Player 52:44 Comparison of NFL Quarterbacks 53:43 The New York Jets 54:26 Professional Wrestling Logic 55:46 The NFL is Not Rigged 56:33 Conspiracy Theories 57:18 Social Media Reactions 57:48 Promotion and Collaboration Checkout our website! chaoticallyintolerant.com Blog: https://chaoticallyintolerant.com/blog Catch Summer Smash Here: https://chaoticallyintolerant.com/summer-smash All Updates on Tecmo Bowl: https://chaoticallyintolerant.com/tecmo-bowl Meet the personalities of Chaotically Intolerant: https://chaoticallyintolerant.com/personalities Meet the Hall of Famers: https://chaoticallyintolerant.com/hall-of-fame

Alex Boyajian (00:18)

Welcome back episode 140 of Chaotically Intolerant. Curtis from the Curtis Podcast Network is back. If you haven't read our Chaotically Intolerant end of season NFL awards, head over to Chaotically Intolerant right now. Warning, I gave Dakfrest got my MVP. I did. I've been against Dak for so long, but I'm just looking at the numbers and it's a quarterback league. I had to give it to

Yeah, yeah, and instead we just keep giving Lamar hardware. Exactly. But I'm not sure why we're even talking about this because according to my notes, let me just throw the glasses off for a second. According to my notes

The NFL is rigged because hold on, I'm trying to read through all these notes. Joe Biden has employed Taylor Swift and Roger Goodell together to rig the NFL so more people will get the But apparently this has been going on for a long time.

because the NFL chose to put a quarterback who grew up in San Francisco, went to Michigan to put him in New England, of all places. And then another quarterback who went, who lived in Texas, went to Texas Tech, put him in a small market like Kansas City. And then also did not give Dak Prescott the MVP this year in their most profitable So those, that is what I have come

because why are we even talking about it the NFL's right it doesn't matter nothing you know yeah look you have a point but I'm pretty sure you know there was that theory that Taylor Swift is a Psyop yeah I don't subscribe to that in the sense of she's been a Psyop the whole time like came out came out the womb of Psyop it's not like a new thing

They probably just gave her like an upgrade or something. They bred her. They bred her for the government. Yes. They knew they knew that white women would love her music in 2010. They were like, listen, white women are going to love this shit. All right. Oh, yeah. They're going to relate because, you know, she's almost as

Kate Hudson probably. Yeah that is. Sounds about right. Okay. Anybody out there? Anyways, so we're doing a little kind of like very casual look back on the NFL season. So we're actually going through our midseason awards right now.

So at the middle of the year, because I think this was a cool little way to call back and think about that time, middle of the year, I had Lamar of all people as my MVP. Michael, Seth had Tua as the MVP and you had CJ Stroud as the MVP, which obviously CJ ended up winning the offensive rookie of the year. Lamar won MVP and Tua won a Ring Pop. Nothing. Yeah.

Yeah. A scene on the bench and a couch for the season. Yeah. The most hilarious one to me is comeback player of the year because obviously the winner did not even he didn't even he wasn't even on our minds when we put this thing together. I had to Michael had Lamar actually and you had Foster

Yeah, uh, he was another one of the people that you know, he's playing when he shouldn't have been he's coming back from cancer It's a great story. No, it was a great story. Um most explosive And unlike damar go ahead He played Oh, unlike damar. He actually played if if damar now, I know they don't do the votes like during the playoffs But if damar gets the fake punt like if he if he gets the first down

on the fake punt. I feel like they might like Roger Goodell might come in and be like, no, no, no, he, I rule all it's, it's tomorrow. Hamlin has come back later. Just imagine him walking, just stuff and

a bunch of.

He's like, oh, it's like cleaning himself off. There's just like demar everywhere like and and you know as commissioner of the league I felt like it was necessary, you know to sorry I got all this paper all over me my bad. It felt like it was necessary to put a demar hamlin Most explosive Tyreek Hill won it in a landslide now Tyreek was like I mean not nowhere to be found in the second half of the season, but

Definitely not the most explosive player in the second half Pretty easy. Yeah Best best coach I stuck with D 'Amico Ryan's I I awarded D 'Amico the coach of the year at mid year and This part of the year and he should have won. I Don't know how he doesn't know. I understand what Stefanski went through but come on man

like

that texans team won three games last year and then they won their division the very next year how are we not giving it to the meco and they beat stephanski in the playoffs immediately like they didn't even beat them they kicked the absolute shit out of me oh yeah i mean it was a couple bumps and bruises away from being a literal mugging yeah

Absolutely You had Mike Tomlin, which again not I don't think that's a bad pick either. I think the Mike Tomlin Hatred is kind of unnecessary in my opinion And and I don't like to go to this but I have talked to some Pittsburgh fans and The things I have heard them say about Mike Tomlin because of

his race

Crazy and they they directly relate it right back to race. So I'm not like assuming anything. This is what I've heard from the sealer fans It's crazy. This is absolutely insane that the guy has winning seasons every year. They went to the playoffs again and And he's getting all this hate. This is I have never seen it from any other franchise except for this Yeah, I Mean the race has nothing to do with it. He's a great coach. He just he just is any other franchise maybe I think

I mean, the Patriots right now should probably take them. The Chiefs wouldn't take them because why would Maybe the Rams with McVay feel like they wouldn't get rid of McVay and Shanahan. Like those, there's like three coaches in the league that you would say, no Mike Tomlin, I feel like. Everyone else is like, yeah, we'll take him. We'll take a winning record in a playoff appearance every

You're damn skippy pretty sure the Saints would kill that at this point. Yeah. Absolutely. Biggest surprise team. The Houston Texans, I said. You said the Detroit Lions and Michael actually said the Seattle Seahawks, although we know what happened at the end with the Seahawks, but I mean, they were Yeah, they were pretty good for a time. And then we I think we both went more negative

in this.

Surprise and the second half I went with the Eagles because I was like who would have thought and You went with the Chargers which again who would have thought that team would be So horrendously bad like Brandon Staley is a bad coach, but Jesus Christ Yeah And then Michael went with the Browns who You know They did it they did it with smoke and mirrors like he said, but you know great

Biggest surprise player. I didn't want to leave flaco out because I didn't give him the comeback player of the year But I was like, I can't leave Joe flaco out of this. You can't

So I gave him... Yeah, I mean he definitely deserved it. Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. You gave Devin Singletary, who was a great, great back. I mean, he basically came in and did what the hell is his

Damien Pierce did? Yeah, yeah. What Damien Pierce did last year and he just came in and did that. And then Kyron Williams from Michael. Kyron, great, you know, great ball player. Solid choice. At the halfway part, I gave it to Kirk Cousins because I mean that they just like came out of the get like they were 0 and 3 and then they went 3 and 1 and then obviously tears his Achilles. Michael said Pukin Akua, which I feel like we

kind of forgot

Yeah, yeah, and then you said it's such a quarterback driven lead it was yeah, you said Josh Dobbs Remember Josh Dobbs remember that the pastor not the pastor not Mm -hmm. Oh, yeah, that's a Tennessee boy. I'll never forget him That just feels it feels like a year ago that that was like his he was like

arguably

Top -10 quarterback like people were trying to make that argument for him. I was like no, I mean it's cool story, but no Yeah Oh God what a story that guy good for him though. You can go work for NASA Yeah, most disappointing team doing I said the New England Patriots at the half Michael said the Giants and you also said the Patriots which are all pretty valid I would say

I

at the end of the year i said the jacks because larry's and that was that was a little off yeah yeah i mean the literally at the end of the season the jaguars worse like everybody was sitting on one point all the wheels and the rest of every part of the court fell off and they were just like hold non -prejudice i'm crazy or i thought i was crazy but i was watching the jacks say team at the end of the year and

Why the last two plays of your season to save your season to win the division you run the exact same play twice some like back shoulder Five yard fade like it made no sense to me like that is not a successful play design How in god's name do you run that twice in a

I don't know. I think that's a big reason Press Taylor is so hated in Jacksonville. Which is funny because one of your co -hosts, Isaiah, wrote an article for us, his first article, about how Press Taylor shouldn't be fired. I think it was right after the Monday night game when they lost to Cincinnati. Joe Burrow is Cincinnati Bengals. Hilarious. Well, that wasn't Joe Burrow. That was Jake Browning. Yeah.

Horrible hilarious. You said the Eagles which again they were in my most surprising team. So I mean, how do you how do you start ten and one and finish eleven and six? Getting put out of the playoffs by Tampa Bay What are we doing? That's not Tom Brady over there. They thought they thought Baker was Tom Brady. They really did Yeah, they were like 12

Cut in half is six. That's the same person. Holy crap. There's just two of them now. Two, two Baker Mayfield. Holy shit. Where's the other one? Which one are we supposed to hit? And then they were exactly and then they were done. And then Michael also stuck with the Giants, which I mean, how can you not? That was probably they signed Daniel Jones that massive contract. I saw somebody saying the Brown should trade Deshaun to the Giants for Daniel Jones.

I was like,

I mean, I wonder what the math is on that. Are they saving money for

Because it just has to be a financial decision. I mean, that can't be for skill. Yeah. Yeah, no. Because you're not trading for Daniel Jones for skill. You're trading for Daniel Jones to save $20 million. Absolutely. Most disappointing player. I love, you know, Aaron Rodgers has just been insufferable since he got hurt. Just the con, it's all him. It's all about him. That's all it's been when he's hurt. Like just...

I would shut up. So I gave him most disappointing. I said, leaves Green Bay media talks about the jets winning the preseason Super Bowl signs all his old friends get hurt gets hurt four drives into the game spends the rest of the season talking about how he can return soon. Talks about how great his surgery was doesn't return. And then at the end of the year, he went on the Pat McAfee show and said that he can't he still can't run at full speed yet. So. Hmm. Try to understand a quarterback quarterback doesn't always need to run at full speed,

Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is definitely one of those guys that sits in front of the mirror and is just talking to himself for a long time. Like, come on, Aaron, we get this going. So it's like affirmations that he's just putting out in the world. Like, oh, I'm coming back. You know, it feels good. It's good surgery was experimental or whatever, but you know, it's good. It's good. It's all good. I'm good. You're good. They're good. We're good. And I know he's like a political whatever shit. I don't, I don't care about that shit.

The fact that he spent an entire season when his team was trying to pick up the pieces after his injury, which an injury, injury happens. Their offensive line was horrible. I don't blame him for the injury, but the amount of just bullshit that he caused in the media. I mean, can you imagine being Zach Wilson in that moment? Like he is, he is trying, you are playing so bad that Aaron Rogers is trying to come back early from an Achilles surgery. Like that's how bad you

Yeah, yeah. I don't see a scenario where Zach Wilson ends up starting anywhere ever again. I'm like, oh crap, we're down to our third string guy and that That's it. He's an emergency quarterback and I could see him winning a random game for the Titans at some

Or like the Cardinals, he comes in in like five years and everyone's like, hey, remember Zach Wilson? He's starting today for the Cardinals because they're down to their third string guy. Yeah. Yeah. Kyler Murray is hurt again. Let's bring in the guy that had a really cool throw at the con at his pro day. And his mom's still super hot. Let me one day I sat down.

And I was like, you know, I really want to like know like what's going on with the mom So I just searched up Zach Wilson's mom and I was like it didn't

Yeah, if you haven't yet, go ahead. Go ahead. Absolutely. Go. You said AJ Brown, which I agree with as well. Just the constant complaining. I mean, dude, you sit down and it's the same thing with Stefan. It's the they're they're kind of the same character to me at this

Yeah, to me there's there's nothing more annoying in this world than somebody who complains to death about I'm not getting opportunities here. I'm not getting the money I want goes and gets the money goes and gets to a place where the opportunities are there goes there has a slightly not even a bad season a slightly worse season than the year before and he's bitching hardcore, dude.

I don't give a shit what you think you are. Just humble yourself. You're playing a child's game. You're getting paid millions of dollars to play a child's game. A violent child's game, but a child's game nonetheless. You know what's funny? I was actually looking at our, I think our most MVP, no where was it? I think maybe our most explosive. And we were seriously discussing a -

AJ Brown Tyreek Hill raced to 2000, like at the middle of the year. That was a realistic possibility that was going to happen. And then all of a sudden it just falls

Both teams really just could not get anything going towards the end of the year. Also, I hope AJ Brown comes to the Colts. Shane Steichen, baby. He's going to bring him here. Jason, it's definitely a single podcast episode we've done for like the last three weeks. I brought that up. I've like somehow brought that into the fold where I'm like AJ Brown coming. Jason Kelsey, assistant offensive line coach, because we just hired like arguably the greatest offensive line coach of all

Who else? Legerious needs coming to help the secondary. And, uh, can't remember. There's somebody else that I love to just implant into everyone's mind. It's the most delusional thing I've ever said. It's only delusional because the general manager does not like spending money. I think every off season, the Colts have gone into like the last five years. I see graphics from all these Colts pages. The Colts have third most cap space in, you know, in the league this year.

We're going to go out and get some guys and just like same thing. Like this is guys, it's not going to happen. It's just it's not what we do. Now, I mean, it's fun to dream about, but like for whatever reason that you're like, hey, we're just going to we're just going to hold on to this. I mean, we're all over the next season. We'll pick up some backups, some rotational guys, but good locker room guys, primarily good locker room guys. Great character guys. That's that's what he says.

character yeah uh... got that's a good character dot uh... will be good for

Michael said Miles Sanders the most disappointing player, which I haven't heard his name since last

Yeah, I mean he played sparingly. I he got hurt a couple different times And then chew the Chuba Hubbard came in and just made him completely irrelevant. Absolutely Midseason we said I said Bryce Young Michael said Jimmy G and you said Devante Adams which I Mean Adams had I think he had a bit of a better end of the year, right? Like obviously this wasn't a Devante Adams season, but he didn't have

even probably like a

Yeah, I mean towards the end of the year, I think the Raiders went on something of a good winning streak Moral, moral winning streak, that's what we call them. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they I think they lost a game by like, I don't know, like 27, 30 points, something like that, didn't score at all. And then the next game put up like 60. That was no, no, they did the they lost three to nothing to the Vikings at home in a dome.

On real grass not not fake grass real grass Every possible positive thing for them. They couldn't get they couldn't score point and then they put the 63 up They miss the waiters daily out the door, which everybody and their mother wanted staley out the door Not a shock, but yeah, the Raiders are hilarious. They're they're a hilarious organs especially Mark

Yeah Yeah, and that they gave the Colts a good scare for yeah, I remember like sitting there I was like we don't deserve this because we can't like put the fucking hammer down on the on the Raiders Come on guys, like the eight no Connell was tearing apart our secondary for about half that game Lvp at the halfway point I said Ryan Tannehill Michael said Desmond Ritter

And you said the entire Tennessee Titans offensive line minus Peter Skoronsky. I said, the end of the year, oh, I forgot to, I forgot to bold your thing. You said the Titans O -line, so you kept it. Michael also kept with Desmond Ritter. And I said the entire Carolina Panthers offense minus Bryce Young and Adam Thielen, who had a thousand reception yards this year. So clap it up for Adam Thielen. He's like 33 years old. He's ancient. Well, ancient in football terms. Yeah.

very, very quiet clap it

soft soft soft golf club. Yep. In honor in honor of the waste management last weekend, they had to get shut down or the beer sales got shut down because of because of all the drunk people golf. I speed. Yeah. Do you follow golf at all? For those who don't know got kicked off one of the most recent the Genesis on Friday or something. Yeah.

Because he had an incorrect scorecard Apparently like you're supposed to drop your card off before you go do anything else Yeah, and he had a bathroom emergency went to the bathroom and then dropped the card off my question is this don't they keep track of that like Other ways so I'm like, well, I don't know if I told you I want my golf history I tried to play professional golf for a while. I'm recently very recently like semi -retired

So the ins and outs behind that is the basic rule is and everyone knows this and it's it's one of those golf rules. That's like kind of dumb, but it's necessary You have to go straight to the scores table as soon as you go straight to the scores table and you leave that score is your score No matter what that is your score if you don't sign it or if it's incorrect then you can be DQ'd Spieth knows this he knows this more than anybody. He's been involved. He had to take a shit. I

Like he just had to take a shit. Yeah, and it's one of those rules again like the golf rules like I I have my own issues with a lot of golf rules like the PGA Tour requiring pants is crazy to me just especially when they come and play at the Valspar in Like March they come and play here in March and it's still fucking hot like and then they play tournaments in yeah, they play a TPC sawgrass in Florida and like

Shoot, I can't remember the exact days, but it's Florida's fucking hot most of the year So like you could pretty much say yeah pants aren't an option for most people But it's one of those rules where it's stupid but that is specifically the rule He should not have left no matter what he should have signed the correct scorecard. He should have reviewed everything but when you got a shit Sometimes you just got a shit, but they they do need to change exception

They have to change it because they have the live scoring and I've done the live scoring before where after each hole because they ask you hey we want to make sure just we can match everything up correctly and obviously if there's a group dispute the live score isn't final right but they like to have the live score because of XYZ but usually in like smaller tours the players keep the live score they don't have people to keep it like the PGA tour

But that's the rule and another like there's just a lot of really stupid golf rules like if you hit your ball, you know how like you take divots right with a golf club you hit hit with an iron and you take the chunk out. Well, if a person doesn't fill that divot with sand because you have sand on your golf cart and etiquette wise and just for golf course care, you're supposed to fill your divot with sand. That's just it. That's that's just what it is. You're supposed to help take care of the course.

If that divot is not filled with sand and your ball rolls into the divot, you cannot move it. You cannot take any sort of free relief. But if there is sand in the divot and your ball rolls in there, you can take, I want to say, like one club length away. You can drop it from your knee height. Very dumb. It's just like so many little ticky tacky. Like if it was as big as the NFL, people would be losing their minds over these like really stupid ticky tacky

Yeah, that makes sense. We would be getting a lot of golfers rigged. We would be getting a lot of that. And I guess on the NFL is rigged topic real quick. Why would the I understand you want like the most popular sport in America, but wouldn't you want to rig the NBA who's super involved, like super big in China? Wouldn't you want to try and rig it for some sort of American political stuff like

You would want to go over there, right? They're massive over in China or Major League Baseball, who's big in South America and over in, you know, certain European countries like football, the one that nobody else watches but us. Crazy to me. It's just I'm not going to say anything else. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. I just think people don't want certain teams to win. And when they win it equals rigged.

And I was the only one on my show that predicted that the Chiefs would end up winning the Super Bowl. Everybody else was all 49ers and if the 49ers don't win, the NFL is rigged. So. Great minds think alike, brother. I was like sitting here the sun. It was the Saturday before the Super Bowl, but it was the Monday episode that dropped after the Super Bowl. And I was telling Leighton, our guy, I was like, listen, I'm telling you right now, the Chiefs will win.

And I don't want them to, but I'm putting all my bets on them. I put about 10 bets in, nine of them were on the Chiefs. The other one was on Debo Samuel to win Super Bowl MVP, just in case 49ers won. But I was like, I am so sure, because this is the Tom Brady effect again. This is what we're doing. This is what we did with Brady. I'm not falling for it this time. And I'm going to appreciate watching greatness, because I didn't appreciate it when Brady was doing it. I was always like, fuck man, I don't want Brady to win, blah, blah, blah.

I'm a pre we don't get to see this all the time. This is just a fluke that Brady and my homes have come right after each other This is like it's not awesome because I'm not a fan of them, but it's very cool to watch Yeah, it is is dope as hell as a football fan we should be great absolutely You can you can be a fan of your team and also appreciate the game like that's that's why I watch non -cult games because I appreciate the game I love the game so but

It's a generation of sore losers is what it is. If you're saying it's rigged, you're just a sore loser. What Chiefs fans say? Yeah, for real. They don't even care. We still have the rings. If it's rigged, whatever, I don't care. I'll take a rigged ring. I would kill for a rigged ring. You would kill for a rigged

Damn Skippy. Yeah. Those things are expansive and huge. Absolutely. The Rams one is sick. They're ungodly huge. Is that the one with the stadium on it? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, that's insane. It's literally a replica of SoFi. And then when you take the ring off, you see the inside, but then they never show you the bottom of like the top part that you take off. It has the actual Jumbotron on it. And then.

Surrounding the Jumbotron is a little piece of one of the footballs that was they played the game

Damn. That thing is literally sports. The details right there. The on your on your ring finger. Just it's just sitting there too. I just can't I can't wrap my head around somebody putting $50 ,000 or 600 whatever on their finger just sitting there with their fucking finger holding that. I'm like I would be afraid to take that thing out of the house. I don't think anybody wears them. Yeah like you only see them. You really only see them.

Old guys will wear them if they won them like 40 years ago. They'll wear them to like NFL events and like that's it. You really don't see them wear them that much. Even like the back. Yes, they won't. They really won't wear them like you'll see a guy who's like, yeah, I played on like the 70s Raiders. You know, I was like a backup tight end and they're not wearing it around. They just yeah, it's crazy. I mostly see people use them as necklaces. Yeah.

I like that. I really like that. That's a cool little like a little chain thing. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Bonehead coach of the year. You said Dan Campbell, which I'm sure we get people in a scuff, stirry, whatever, whatever word it is. Flurry. I don't know. Yeah. We both said Brandon Staley, me and Mike just because I, I

hate his attitude he has one of the worst attitudes I have ever seen from a head coach just no accountability for his defense being dog shit and especially anyone who's listening go watch his press conference after the Packers game they gave up a hundred something on the ground 300 something in the air and he goes our defense did their job I don't know what you're talking

That's like the Zen postgame press conference where he's like I didn't want to defense absolutely It's like you move the ball crazy literally absolutely insane and Dan Campbell I Can actually agree with that one as much as I love the Dan Campbell way. I love Dan Campbell. He is hilarious. He is awesome Yeah, but just come on man like and and the other thing people say oh well they didn't trust their kicker

I'm like, why did you go into the playoffs with a kicker? You didn't trust if you didn't trust the guy You can go out and design someone else Kickers are kickers are so like, you know, you can hit on if you catch one just at the right time Like just have an open workout. Yeah, I don't I don't get it. Don't get it at all. I don't know what was going on in his head, but points on the field and They should not have lost that game but they did

at the halfway point, I said Sean Payton. I still hate Sean Payton because of Bounty Gate. That might be one of the worst, because I know that Brady and Belichick at Spygate, they had the Flakegate. First off, as a Colts fan, the Flakegate was a sham bullshit thing. Come on. That was crazy. We all know because of the weather. Everyone knew and we were still going like, oh yeah, Brady definitely had this elaborate

Guaranteed be insane. Yeah Now as a no girl old was I in 2014 I was 12 as a 12 year old I hated Brady and I said the flake gate was he should be suspended I said, oh, well are the Colts gonna be sent to the Super Bowl As a 12 year old I said that that's because I was stupid

Well, you're 12. You're 12. You're stupid. You're just you're dumb. You do say and do dumb things. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. You could even be a smart 12 year old and still be a stupid 12 year old. Michael said Josh McDaniels. Remember him? I do. What an idiot. God bless. And you said Matt Eberfluss. How many chances did that guy meet? I

Did he like save himself? Oh yeah, absolutely. The Montes sweat trade and playing subpar teams down the stretch because the Bears were god awful the year before. So their schedule was a cupcake. Um, I mean with that and Justin Fields playing serviceably at time, they almost

squeaked into the Yeah If they had won they beat Detroit it's and There was a game that they were really close to beating another division opponent They win that game and the one the last game of the year against the Packers I think it was then they're in the playoffs. Yeah, they are remember like going into week 18 They had like a maybe 17. There was one week. They had like this like weird

but somehow kind of possible, like we have to win out. And then these teams that are like underdogs have to lose to the favorites. And it was like, it was a lot of legs. It was like a big leg parlay, but like all the bets you make are like pretty much given. So it was like, okay, there's maybe a shot here, but obviously we know what happened. I love those. I love when people put those out. It's

Heartbreaking loss of the year. So at the Midway I said Jets bills week one overtime Aaron Rodgers Actually, I think I said it for Buffalo because Buffalo was like at that point in the year They were kind of felt like they were dead So I think that was the bills heartbreaking loss Michael said Aaron Rodgers, which obviously and then you said the Texans interior offensive

Yeah, which I don't know how much got fixed. Yeah, towards the

Uh, got fixed a little bit. I mean, towards the end we were able to get the same three interior eyes playing every week, which was nice. Instead of a constant rotating door of left guard center. I mean, Shaq Mason played all the games, but what else there? Just, ugh. I mean, we traded for Hendrick Green from Steelers, who they were going to use as a pullback because he wasn't very center or guard.

Yeah. Played like three weeks for us then tore his shoulder up, gone for the year. I was like, god damn it. Can we, can we get a guy who's break? Please, please just one. That's all I need. Just need somebody to fill a hole. Any hole. Literally anything. No. Just fill one, please. Yeah. Um heartbreaking loss of the year for us, obviously for me.

It was Texans Colts, week 18. I said I was going Homer. I've said it a million times, but I did not understand what Shane Steigin was doing at the end of that game. Not with that play with Tracer, not even that. I'm talking about you had the ball with six minutes. You want to give yourself as many opportunities to win the football game. You're putting all your eggs in one basket.

Running the clock down to six minutes and saying we're losing but we're gonna we're definitely gonna score a touchdown here like Go down score as quickly as you possibly can because the hurry up almost always works in the NFL for some reason and then Give yourself as many opportunities. Like even if you kick a field goal, you're down two two three three you're down three like it just it made no sense and then the The I was like, well, why is Trace Herman out on the field and people were like, oh well, they didn't want

They said, oh, well, Trey Sermon was running with the offense for that play. I was like, if that's the player you're going to use on fourth and one, why are you running with Trey Sermon, your third string back? Why are you not running it with JT? And then they say, oh, well, we didn't want JT to be keyed in on. Do the Dolphins take Tyreek out of the game? Do the Chiefs pull Patrick Mahomes? Because they're like, we don't want the defense key in on Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you could do that logic with literally any team.

And then also, I think, what was the other one? I had another one. Oh, and I mean like Minshew, that was the easiest pass of his life. Go on. Yeah. Yeah. Minshew puts that ball a little bit more ahead of him. And I believe it was Goodson. Not Cerny. Oh, maybe it was Goodson. I gotta change that then. Shit. Yeah. Goodson, you're right. It was Goodson.

I guess Trey Sermon was on my mind because I saw something else. I think I was looking up stats and I like saw something about Trey Sermon and then it just stuck in my head. Yeah. He had a pretty solid year as a third string guy, but yeah, no. Gardner puts that ball in a little bit better of a spot. I believe even Goodson would have caught it and the play was, it would have got the first, you know, he grumbled something.

That's Gardner being Gardner. Well, and I think something needs to be said about and this is like a key to the Houston Texans. This is a attaboy. The pass rush in that play like if if I don't remember who it was, but whoever your defensive lineman was on the left side, if he doesn't make a play like that because he got his hand up that force Gardner to try and throw it away from his hand. Like obviously, if he doesn't bowl rush there to try and get in, you know, get to Gardner.

Instead of playing it safe like most coaches would do just play it safe drop a few more back Like that that's a great football play that that was I think that was the reason he made that bad pass because he was afraid it was gonna get batted down because Half of Gardner Mentshu's passes get fucking batted down It was it was a theme all year. It was crazy Yeah, yeah, although no hate to Gardner I really hope you get to start I hope he gets a job somewhere like because he's gonna be a free agent and I feel like we're not gonna Resign him which would

I feel like he's He's earned a Brian Hoyer he's earned the Brian Hoyer kind of like Thing where he can go anywhere and back up he'll go anywhere You said the enemy title Oh Sorry, if you're right, I'm interrupting you so much because it's kind of delayed for some reason. Oh Okay, I'm not sure why I thought that's what it was.

Yeah. All right. So you said NFC championship

You just watch the game and you'll understand. Um, there wasn't a single person outside of maybe a handful of counties for you that was not rooting for history. We wanted to see the lions make that jump to the next level. We wanted Jared Goff, Shake Off from Demons. We wanted to see, uh, Dan Campbell get to the biggest stage.

Instead they can move the entire second half and that chance away. Um, you know, maybe they're good enough team to get, but I don't know. I don't know. That was, that was probably a good chances. You're going to get can't squander it. You can't squander it. Look at Mike Vrabel took his team to AFC championship game three years later out of a job. Yeah. People, people are comparing this to.

Like the 2014 Colts, when they went to the AFC title game and then never got back and they're comparing it to the Titans and they're comparing it to all these teams that went and never got back. But like when you look at the 2014 Colts, that team was, they had a mid -rank defense with one of the easiest schedules in the league, which is like, people are like, oh, well they were actually pretty good. They had Andrew Luck. I'm like, our defense was horrible that year. Like anytime they played a real team, they got completely shit

This Lions team feels like the realest team to do that, in my opinion. Like out of all the ones they're pointing out, they feel real. They'll be back. Like that's, I'm confident that they'll be back. I would put money on it, that they would be back. I mean, it's still heartbreaking. It's not, it's not not heartbreaking. I'll say that. Like it's, I'm good friends with a Lions fan and he's a moron. He was saying they were going to the Super Bowl at halftime.

Literally saying it. I was like, dude, stop. Stop saying that. You're going to jinx it. And then obviously they lose. And then Michael actually went with Cowboys Lions week 17. That is one that no one's going to talk about, but it absolutely was the most heartbreaking because I think maybe if they win that game, they either get the two seed or they would have.

would have gotten the one seed. There was a real chance they would have gotten the one seed, I

Yeah, in there, they were definitely making a good push for the one seed, but I don't remember much because I just tried it always at all. But yeah. And then most underutilized player, I said Bijon Robinson, Michael Seff said Kyle Pitts, which I mean, I think those two are interchangeable and underutilized with just talent level and just nothing, absolutely nothing. He didn't even have a thousand yards this year.

Bichon which is crazy Kyle pitch average pits average three catches in 40 yards per game and You said Jamal Agnew I this was this was like deeper into the catalog. I want you to talk about that

uh... so jim all agnew's kind of a gadget player for the jags he's uh... the kick return specialist the part return guy they bring him in when i want to do some sort of trickery uh... he's got a running back number so it kinda like you know i was he ran back the lines of the in the slot a lot uh... he is fast as shit and if they ever let him just like focus on one thing i swear to you he'll be at least

like serviceable in that role. He may never be like a thousand yards as a running back or a thousand yards as a receiver, but he could be a pretty solid number three or four, getting like six, 700 yards, something like that on a really prolific team. But fumbles in the season and then they just kind of went away from him and didn't really get a hot into that. But he

He's one of the more electric players in Jacksonville in general. And it's just, you always want to see players like that get the ball. And for that reason, he's my most underutilized player. Okay. That's a, that's a great explanation. Um, in the, no, it is, um, in the middle of the year, I said the entire Atlanta Falcons offense, which that stayed pretty true. Um, you said Lamar Jackson and I also, yeah.

Agree with that very much. Um, and we saw it in the aFC title game where he's just sitting there He'll sit he'll sit in the pocket for fucking 15 seconds. Just holding the ball holding the ball You see him looking I was watching with a chiefs man and he was yelling run run the ball run I think I think they've almost scared him. They're almost scaring him out of running a ball, which is I understand you need to protect

But Lamar Jackson is a physical talent that is not like those other running quarterbacks that we saw that got hurt. He has the elusiveness and somehow he it feels like he can almost like and I'm not doing this to glaze Lamar. I do not glaze Lamar normally. But he has the it's not see into the future but he has the awareness to predict these big hits that are coming and just.

Like minimize the damage no matter what and oh, yeah, I understand you want more of a pocket passers But you can't take that away from that is his most Like valuable asset like his when he is running the ball and he's running it fucking good You're scoring every single drive no matter what like he is. Yeah a physical Specimen and they're learning and learning more how to stop the running quarterback. We saw with Jalen hurts

Um, which I mean, he's more of a pocket style passer, but still he runs, but, um, Lamar just seems to, I mean, the fact that he won an MVP in 2019 and he won one in 2024 as a running quarterback just shows how he is different. He is completely different than any of the other

Yeah, I mean you can't take his legs away from him and expect him to be the exact same. Like you can't expect him to be Peyton Manning all of a sudden. Yeah. Or Tom Brady just out here dishing it, hitting the wide open guy on a five yard hook that literally the guy hasn't even turned around and looked for the ball yet. Lamar is not on anticipation growth, really solid over the

If it ain't the biggest problem he has and to a greater extent, I would include Justin Fields into this. Um, they hold onto the ball far too long because they're trying to make this play possible. And sometimes it bites them in the ass because sometimes they're not realizing what the biggest play is with their feet. It's just somebody's in their cloud in the brain being like, all right, instead of trusting your gut, let's do this. And it's, it's just not.

voting well if I'm not mistaken this were his stats lower this year than they were. He won the MVP. His yeah I'm looking at his rushing stats right now so 19 he had 1200 rushing yards which I want to say was that the record yeah. That is the 2023 he had 821 in the regular season that's crazy to me that he was able to do he was able to win an MVP with.

Basically almost two different styles of running and his career low rushing yards was 695 in 2018 when he only started seven games Yeah Yeah It's I mean that first year though. He was who couldn't touch him. Yeah What about passing yards though? Because I know he only had like 3 ,500 passing yards and 35 touchdowns or something that in 19 he had 31

but he had 36 passing touchdowns, which is, I mean, crazy. And that just really makes me think, like Brady, Brady had 55 one year, 55. Think about Manning having

Manning had 50. Was it Brady had 50 and Manning had 55 because I know one of those years with Moss. Yeah, they traded the record like four times because I'm pretty sure Peyton broke Dan Marino's record and then the next year, Brady broke that record. And Peyton went to the Broncos, Peyton was like 55. Let me see

Okay, yeah, Brady had 50 in 2007, which is when they went 16 to no. Actually, Randy Moss, he had 43 in 2021. But besides those two, he barely he rarely cracked 40. He had three years of 40 touchdowns or

I'm making fun of you, Richard. I know, this is why I need a producer to like put music on, you know, when we're searching something up. Like elevator music. Just have somebody playing Kenny G in the

So Peyton had... Peyton had 55 in 2013, he had 49 in 2004. But still, to think about like how much it has changed, like we, I don't think, I feel like not even like Mahomes is gonna throw for 50 touchdowns, like

do that already? I don't think he did. Like his first year as a starter did like 5 ,000 yards and like 50 touchdowns or something. Maybe I'm just misremembering. That's totally possible. I don't know if he hit 50. He had a lot of passing yards that first year because his defense was, oh no, he didn't. Okay. Well I'm wrong again. Jesus Christ. I'm sticking my foot in my mouth all day. Holy shit. Foot and mouth Foot and mouth disease. How's an athlete's feet taste? Not good. Really not good.

He had 5 ,000 yards 50 touchdowns. He threw for 5 ,200 yards in

Yeah, my homes is a he's cracking lists already. Let's put it down. It's also crazy. That's his first year as a starter and he immediately joins the 5000 yard club. Yeah. And the 50

Yeah, just like, all right, we're here. I'm in this room now. But that is that's funny that you had Lamar is underutilized because that's that's kind of what I said all season. That's what I felt all season. And he obviously, you know, wins MVP, but not in the same way that he did five years ago. So just see these guys like within that time frame, how much has changed and and how many things like also, you know,

Things change, but they also stay the same. And that's just five years. We can look at, you know, we can go back 20 years and look at Brady and Mahomes. You know, just the difference between that. Yeah, I think, yeah, that's it. I did have you guys do Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Rookie of the Year, but then as I was getting the article out, I was like, this is gonna be too much work for me. I was like trying to get it out before I was going to bed. I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna leave him off. But you had CJ Stroud,

Yeah. I mean, he deserves it. Like the only one you could say is Puka because he said all those rookie wide receiver records, but it is a quarterback league. It's what it is. What it is. Yep. Second team ever. Second team in the NFL to have the offense and defensive rookies of the year in the same year. Yeah. Last year was the jet. Oh yeah, it was. Yeah.

That's hilarious that it was the Jets because I mean, LOL Jets, right? Yeah. That's they should probably just change their logo from JETS to LOL. Yeah. That's that's the other thing with the NFL rigged people. Why haven't the Jets won a title since since the 60s? They're one of the most popular in the media. The media is buzzing when the Jets win like seven games. Like literally they're like, oh man, this is

You know, the Jets like next year. Don't worry. Next year. Like they did it with their defense. Imagine Aaron Rodgers there.

uh... yet uh... pros their present but uh... i'm uh... i'm a drop of the wrestling professional wrestling wrestling logic and this uh... reed conversation uh... so here's one

professional residents, you can either let people know basically exactly what's happening and tell it off at a million miles away and you hope that people are still going to be interested when it happens. Or you can introduce the Swerve. For a prime example of this, for two years now, W .W. Cody Rhodes to finish the story and

He Royal rumble and now they introduced the swerve of is he gonna choose Roman Reigns this time for real and choose Seth Rollins They made this whole I don't know who I'm gonna pick drew out the situation now the rock involved There is not much that you can point to and be like that makes a lot of yeah happening is a direct and complete

The NFL was rigged. There would have been teams that stayed. What did say you cut out there? You're not going to

If the NFL is rigged, then there would be teams that stay bottom feeders

There would never be teams like the Lions. There would never be teams like the Texans in 2024 to make the impact that they made. So, yeah. Unless, let me pull out my notes again, because I got to make sure I get this one right. This is going to my favorite bit to do. I'm going to start doing this more. Unless Joe Biden has enlisted Roger Goodell and Taylor Swift.

to get people the vaccine. Make more and more people get the vaccine. You gotta get the vaccine. As Taylor Swift is a sign up for white

Since inception since she was born absolutely yes Yeah, I think it's the only logical conclusion that's the most logic I mean we're this is a show about logic. We do not talk about stupid things We only make calculated decisions on this entire show I've never put out anything stupid dumb Including my take that the Cleveland Browns would absolutely beat the shit out of the Houston Texans in the first round five minutes before

Yeah, I saw that. I was like, hmm. We'll see how this holds up. That was that was literally the worst thing I've ever posted. But I mean, it was good because it was hilarious. So and people were calling me like stupid and, you know, being assholes online like like they always do. But it's the Internet. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, we are at a good stopping point, I think. First off, if you're listening, make sure to go subscribe to the Curtis podcast network. They have a thousand subscriber goal just like

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